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Originally Posted by keenan87
Seriously? You think Mangiapane is on the same level as Aho, Ovechkin, Draisaitl, Bergeron, and Tavares?
I mean, I know you are a huge Flames homer (hopefully you can control the bias to become a good reporter because I do think you have potential to be good) but give me a break.
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He's not as flashy as those guys for sure but he's very much a very effective 200 foot player that drives play. And tends to do so no matter what line he has played on, or who he plays with.
Maybe you don't give him 6 x $6 right now, but Flames would smart to try to lock him up long term at a lower cap hit if they could.
And really the numbers are the numbers. You can argue it all you want but over the last two seasons he is in the top 30 in the NHL at producing primary points (goals + primary assists) at 5v5. That's not debatable, that's just a fact.
These are two different players, looking at both of them the summer they turned 25 years old.
Player A:
AHL - 113 GP
Goals-31, Points - 91, PPG - 0.81
NHL-218 GP
All Situations: Goals- 67, Points - 133, PPG- 0.61
5V5: Goals: 41, Points - 96, PPG - 0.44
Advanced 5V5:
-Goals per 60: 0.97
-Points per 60: 2.28
-Primary points per 60: 1.68
-Corsi For: 56.1%
-xGF%: 55.8%
Player B:
AHL - 120 GP:
Goals-50. Points - 109, PPG - 0.90
NHL- 178 GP
All Situations: Goals - 43. Points - 77, PPG - 0.43 PPG
5V5: Goals - 38, Points-68, PPG - 0.38 PPG
Advanced 5v5:
-Goals per 60: 1.13
-Points per 60: 2.02
-Primary Points per 60: 1.87
-Corsi For: 54.1%
-xGF%: 56.4%
Player A is Brad Marchand
Player B is Andrew Mangiapane
Marchand was slightly ahead of Mangiapane at this point of their careers, especially due to some more prolific special teams production. But at 5v5 the raw production is very similar, and if you look at the "per 60" numbers Mangiapane is slightly ahead.
Both were also analytics darlings that had great underlying stats that showed them as great play drivers, that maybe had some more untapped offensive upside. Plus they had very similar AHL careers as well.
These are two very similar forwards at the age of 25 years old. And at the time a lot of people would have said Marchand didn't fit on a list of the top forwards in the league, but he's just kept proving people wrong. Not saying that Mangiapane is going to turn out to be the next Brad Marchand, but people shouldn't be writing him off either, he's done nothing but keep proving people wrong since he was passed over in the draft his first year of eligibility.