I usually disagree with Cliff about most things but I value his dedication to civil conversation. He's no more or less guilty than grandstanding or thanks-whoring than any other posters on the other side of the topics.
Plus I respect anyone willing to take that kind of abuse and who keeps coming back, never gets worked up, never responds in kind no matter how low the blows get. You might be wrong but at least you're not a petty dick about it.
That goes for Sliver too but is unrelated to this topic. People constantly say call him a pathetic weirdo and it's like water off a ducks back. Good for you man.
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