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Originally Posted by MarchHare
Highly debatable.
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And that's fine. You're entitled not to be interested in it or to object to it or even to have a strong emotional reaction to it. But the vitriol the guy gets is just not in any way matched by what he's doing. He says things people a lot of people really dislike reading - well, you can ignore him, as Pepsi says. You can engage with him, as some have tried to do, though he seems pretty confident about his view of the world, so that's something to be aware of going in if you want to engage in that discussion.
But there simply is nothing bad faith about what he's saying. Even just the "moral grandstanding" piece of it is, in its absolute simplest iteration, no more or less coherent than accusing someone of holding the position they hold as a simple result of white privilege - it's ironically even the same argument structure.
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
Cliff's MO is to deflate, devalue and flatten any difficult conversation
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This doesn't mean anything as far as I can tell. How do you "deflate", or "flatten", a conversation?
Anyway, cue Pepsifree to reiterate his earlier point about my focus on the way people talk about things rather than what they're talking about... I know, I know.