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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
And in general, I don’t think the blistering contempt for religion frequently expressed on this site by posters who are overwhelmingly white, young, educated males, is a good look. Not when you consider that people of religious faith tend to be older, poorer, female, and visible minorities. It’s especially risible when the people expressing that contempt are self-professed champions of the downtrodden.
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You've taken this position a couple of times and it makes absolutely no sense in light of your other expressed views, as far as I can tell. Be specific. Why is the fact that the group doing the criticizing is white, male and college educated relevant? Why is the fact that many religious people are visible minorities relevant? Why does this make it "not a good look"?
I want you to spell this out in detail, because it sure sounds like you're vaguely alluding to a purely identitarian argument in an attempt to pander to the world view of some of the people you're disagreeing with, notwithstanding that such an argument would be entirely inconsistent with your own political ideology.
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Originally Posted by peter12
If we only found it so easy to critically examine our own beliefs instead of the beliefs of those we are purportedly trying to help
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But this is the crux of the disagreement: religion is premised on not critically examining your beliefs. That's precisely why it's objectionable. Which of my own beliefs do you not think I'm critically examining if I say that the Catholic Church has throughout history been responsible for endless and unspeakable atrocities, and though reformed, continues to this day to be a force for ill in the lives of many people, including the most vulnerable?
I mean, I'm not denying that it's a force for good in many peoples' lives as well.