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Iggy Snipe · 05-30-2021, 01:14 PM

Treliving has done a lot good as well, I don't think any GM doesn't make mistakes. In the sport industry, you always pay someone for "last years performance", which is why there is always great debate on what to do, on a player by player basis. Tre hasn't overpaid for the top assets that Calgary does have, which is good.

By memory I believe these were the deals or close to:

Johnny 6.75x6
Gio 6.75x 6
Mony 6.25 x 7
Chucky 7x3
Lindy 5.5x5
Hannifin 5.25x5

A lot of people said that Johnny would be in the 7-9 M range, Mony 7-8 mill, Gio 7+, Chuky 8+. Those deals were all signed for less money per season than anyone could have dreamed of at the time of the deals. No argument there.

Lindy and Hannifin contracts are both fantastic, and are great assets for the Hamilton trade, however time will tell who won that trade.

I even think the Markstrom deal was solid. A lot of top goalies are 6-8 Million, so we fall into the low end of money for top end goaltending.

The problem with Treliving,and the Flames entire organization, is their failure to NOT blow cap $$ on "depth free agents" who are crap players.

My point is, all the best teams in the NHL have a fantastic top 6. Spend on your top 6 Forwards, and your top 4 D. After that, inject YOUTH. This youth brings energy, speed, and competition to the line up.

Signing depth players for 1-3 mill per season, blows valuable cap space, and doesn't create enough competition, as these players are being paid too much to not be in the lineup. It prevents youth from being put in.

A person who I value very much in the hockey world said to me "When you go head to head, the team with best top 6 will almost always win". This applies to a massive sample size in the Regular season, and then in a series in the playoffs.

Now ask your self, where does Calgarys top 6 rank vs other teams in the NHL?

Bottom 10 in the entire NHL guaranteed. Now look at where they finished in the standings. It goes hand in hand.

I wish Calgary spent their $$ only on the best 10 players (6 F and 4 D, and 1 goalie), then inject youth.

I like Tre, but if he can't change his ways, and start modelling after teams who actually have sustained success, then I think Calgary needs a change.

I still believe Brodie should have been traded for picks/prospect, and I wasn't sure why we let him walk instead of trading him. It is as simple as this - Brodie was one of our best players, and he left for nothing, and that is just unacceptable. Its hard to get over it when you watch him play 22-26 minutes a night for the top team in the Scotia North division. He was a stud, and Calgary just let him go.

I think both sides needed a change, but you don't let your top end guys go for nothing.

That would be like letting Johnny walk for nothing at the end of this season, and then say "but we signed this player instead".

Cash in on assets via picks/prospects if you can't resign a player. These discussions should have happened way ahead of time.

Treliving knew that Brodie wasn't going to sign, and chose to not trade him, and chase a cup run that was never going to happen with the teams roster/goaltending.

05-30-2021, 01:14 PM	#3797
Iggy Snipe Powerplay Quarterback Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pengrowth Saddledome, Section 222, Row 23, Seat 14/15 Exp:	Treliving has done a lot good as well, I don't think any GM doesn't make mistakes. In the sport industry, you always pay someone for "last years performance", which is why there is always great debate on what to do, on a player by player basis. Tre hasn't overpaid for the top assets that Calgary does have, which is good. By memory I believe these were the deals or close to: Johnny 6.75x6 Gio 6.75x 6 Mony 6.25 x 7 Chucky 7x3 Lindy 5.5x5 Hannifin 5.25x5 A lot of people said that Johnny would be in the 7-9 M range, Mony 7-8 mill, Gio 7+, Chuky 8+. Those deals were all signed for less money per season than anyone could have dreamed of at the time of the deals. No argument there. Lindy and Hannifin contracts are both fantastic, and are great assets for the Hamilton trade, however time will tell who won that trade. I even think the Markstrom deal was solid. A lot of top goalies are 6-8 Million, so we fall into the low end of money for top end goaltending. The problem with Treliving,and the Flames entire organization, is their failure to NOT blow cap $$ on "depth free agents" who are crap players. My point is, all the best teams in the NHL have a fantastic top 6. Spend on your top 6 Forwards, and your top 4 D. After that, inject YOUTH. This youth brings energy, speed, and competition to the line up. Signing depth players for 1-3 mill per season, blows valuable cap space, and doesn't create enough competition, as these players are being paid too much to not be in the lineup. It prevents youth from being put in. A person who I value very much in the hockey world said to me "When you go head to head, the team with best top 6 will almost always win". This applies to a massive sample size in the Regular season, and then in a series in the playoffs. Now ask your self, where does Calgarys top 6 rank vs other teams in the NHL? Bottom 10 in the entire NHL guaranteed. Now look at where they finished in the standings. It goes hand in hand. I wish Calgary spent their $$ only on the best 10 players (6 F and 4 D, and 1 goalie), then inject youth. I like Tre, but if he can't change his ways, and start modelling after teams who actually have sustained success, then I think Calgary needs a change. I still believe Brodie should have been traded for picks/prospect, and I wasn't sure why we let him walk instead of trading him. It is as simple as this - Brodie was one of our best players, and he left for nothing, and that is just unacceptable. Its hard to get over it when you watch him play 22-26 minutes a night for the top team in the Scotia North division. He was a stud, and Calgary just let him go. I think both sides needed a change, but you don't let your top end guys go for nothing. That would be like letting Johnny walk for nothing at the end of this season, and then say "but we signed this player instead". Cash in on assets via picks/prospects if you can't resign a player. These discussions should have happened way ahead of time. Treliving knew that Brodie wasn't going to sign, and chose to not trade him, and chase a cup run that was never going to happen with the teams roster/goaltending.