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powderjunkie · 05-28-2021, 10:28 PM

This doesn't really account for the 'misses' - may look at that later.

Going back to 2000; within each group below is chronological order:

Spoiler!

There are probably ~15 drafts in this span we can confidently gauge (beyond 2015 there are still wildcards):

6 top third of the roster players. I wouldn't be at all surprised if that is bottom 3 (or worse) in the league.

6-12 solid role players/backup goalies/decent players who went un-signed...interestingly no D aside from maybe Kulak.

5-8 guys who had brief/limited, but notable time in the league.

So ya, that's just pretty bad. There's room for hope from the 2015-17 and more recent groups, but I wonder if we're just conditioned to have insanely low expectations for developing homegrown talent?

If I asked a trivia question like who are the best 3 defencemen drafted by the Flames in the 15 years after Y2K (or even back to 1996), I don't know that I would have expected a toss-up between Kulak/Pardy/Kurtis Foster for the 3rd slot.

05-28-2021, 10:28 PM	#64
powderjunkie Franchise Player Join Date: Dec 2011 Exp:	This doesn't really account for the 'misses' - may look at that later. Going back to 2000; within each group below is chronological order: Spoiler! Top 6 / Top Pair 2003 9 Dion Phaneuf D 1048 137 494 2007 24 Mikael Backlund C 744 154 397 2008 114 T. J. Brodie D 690 49 280 2011 104 Johnny Gaudreau LW 520 170 494 2013 6 Sean Monahan C 591 204 439 2016 6 Matthew Tkachuk LW 349 110 278 TBD up or down... 2014 4 Sam Bennett C 412 73 155 2015 53 Rasmus Andersson D 216 12 62 2015 166 Andrew Mangiapane LW 178 43 77 2016 66 Adam Fox D 125 13 89 2016 56 Dillon Dube C 121 18 43 2017 16 Juuso Valimaki D 73 3 14 Played for a decade(ish) 2000 46 Jarret Stoll* C 872 144 388 2000 155 Travis Moen* F 747 59 136 2001 14 Chuck Kobasew RW 601 110 210 2001 220 David Moss RW 501 78 178 2002 10 Eric Nystrom LW 593 72 123 2002 90 Matthew Lombardi C 536 101 262 2002 176 Curtis McElhinney G 249 2004 70 Brandon Prust LW 486 40 115 2010 133 Micheal Ferland LW 335 60 134 2011 164 Laurent Brossoit G 82 TBD2 - Up or Down 2012 105 Brett Kulak D 260 10 43 2012 21 Mark Jankowski C 253 40 75 2015 60 Oliver Kylington D 95 5 16 2017 109 Adam Ruzicka C 3 0 1 2016 166 Matthew Phillips C/RW 1 0 0 2012 75 Jon Gillies G 12 longshot at this point, but voodoo. A lot better than Tom 2000 40 Kurtis Foster D 405 42 160 2004 173 Adam Pardy D 342 4 52 2008 78 Lance Bouma C/LW 357 30 76 2011 45 Markus Granlund C 335 58 101 2011 13 Sven Bartschi LW 291 66 138 2004 98 Dustin Boyd C 220 32 63 2004 279 Adam Cracknell RW 210 21 43 2007 116 Keith Aulie D 167 4 14 There are probably ~15 drafts in this span we can confidently gauge (beyond 2015 there are still wildcards): 6 top third of the roster players. I wouldn't be at all surprised if that is bottom 3 (or worse) in the league. 6-12 solid role players/backup goalies/decent players who went un-signed...interestingly no D aside from maybe Kulak. 5-8 guys who had brief/limited, but notable time in the league. So ya, that's just pretty bad. There's room for hope from the 2015-17 and more recent groups, but I wonder if we're just conditioned to have insanely low expectations for developing homegrown talent? If I asked a trivia question like who are the best 3 defencemen drafted by the Flames in the 15 years after Y2K (or even back to 1996), I don't know that I would have expected a toss-up between Kulak/Pardy/Kurtis Foster for the 3rd slot.