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Originally Posted by Mull
Well, I first wrote this:
I don't know, because you didn't quote a specific example. I have in this thread, and feel the "explanation" was a justification. You talk in vague points without quoting, so you leave the reader to assume.
But then I realized, you wrote your post in a way that is talking about everyone here, and I have quoted someone who in my view was using an explanation to pass all the buck off Hamas, hence, justifying their action.
So yes, I stand by my point, and am telling you, you are wrong.
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Great, we’ll agree to disagree. I think you read the post you’re referring to wrong and lept in your reaction. But you’re free to do that. Doesn’t mean explanations are justifications, and that applies across the board. Justifications are justifications. Up to you to know the difference.
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Originally Posted by gvitaly
That said, there is no way that when fired upon one side would just take it. That's what I'm trying to say. You keep trying to justify violence from one side while only blaming the other. Would this whole thing have started if Hamas had not fired rockets? It keeps coming down to this...
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This is part of the issue, no doubt. How far do you want to go back? Would this have started if Israel settlers hadn’t moved to kick Palestinians out of their homes? We can go back further and further and arbitrarily stop at any action from Israel or Hamas all day. Would it have happened if they didn’t fire rockets? Let’s say no. Then is it ok to ask what would have happened to the Palestinian people who were under threat of violence and eviction from Israel? Would that have been ok? This certainly wasn’t. I don’t see how that would have been.
So then we consider the scale of reaction. You would agree that firing rockets is an unnecessary escalation to the situation, right? Comparing the scale of Israel’s response to Hamas’s firing of rockets, is this not also an unnecessary escalation to the situation? How far is too far? And is it not OK to hold a “liberal democracy” to a higher standard than a terrorist organisation?