What a bizarre last page or so.
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Originally Posted by fulham
I do find it a tad ironic that that far left are feverish Palestine supporters. The UVIC LGBT++ alliance organized a Pro Palestine event on campus, its as if this club doesn't realize that Hamas and their electorate would punish their existence with death.
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This is not ironic, it is irrelevant. I don't need to have someone support LGBTQ people to feel they or their children do not deserve death. Even someone who would kill me is not someone who deserves death. Irony? No. This issue is a human rights issue and one completely separate from gay rights. Was I profoundly upset hearing about a recent, highly publicized honour killing of a gay man in Iran? I was. Was I profoundly upset about hearing of and seeing pictures of the dead children living in a place comparatively unfriendly (to say it lightly) towards LGBTQ people? I was.
Why?
Because everyone deserves equal human rights. Everyone deserves not to be killed for who they are, or where/how they were born. They may be "the enemy" when it comes to equal human rights on one issue, but they are our friends on this issue. And a bunch of people celebrating their death because they disagree with them on a particular issue is never going to make them see the world any differently on that issue.
Perhaps the problem is the people false claiming irony, alluding to the idea that for some reason we should be ok with the deaths of children and many other innocent people because they don't agree with us. Is that a right wing thing? Don't know. But the far right politicians in Israel certainly seem happy to kill, and people who support these actions are disgusting.
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
It’s the my enemy’s enemy is my friend principle taken to absurd extremes. If it were all about children being killed, you would see students unions marching over the 2,000 civilians massacred in Ethiopia over the last year.
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"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"?
Who is the enemy you perceive?
Why comment on an issue you don't understand? Who are you to say "what it is"? Not to interrupt another myopic meandering and limp shot at the spectre of "the far left," but these limping drivebys at some perceived hypocrisy of "the left" become boring over time. Why bother to continue to contribute in a way that says "I do not understand this side of things and do not wish to." Learn something, think. Try. This is just another bad take and I truly do not understand why someone as smart as yourself never seems bothered to think critically instead of resorting to this nonsense.
There are aggressors and victims. The Israeli government and Hamas are aggressors. The Israeli and Palestinians are the victims. Centrists, "Liberals," and the right sit around and support one of the aggressors en masse while attempting to erase the largest section of victims. The "far left" is standing up for those victims since others don't care to. It's not the enemy of an enemy, it's innocent people that are being ignored and erased.
Palestinian people do not need to be perfect, or even "morally right" by western standards to deserve to be defended.
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Originally Posted by gvitaly
I think your logic is slightly off because Hamas targets population. The Israeli army targets Hamas. That is one of the reasons Hamas builds its infrastructure next to schools, next to kindergartens, next to mosques, under the hospitals...
Hamas actively uses the population as a shield. The Israeli government doesn't.
In fact, if Israel completely disregarded civilian casualties then I believe they would have a much easier time fighting against the Hamas.
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The problem with this line of thinking is that they do target civilians. They could choose not to. They do bomb schools, hospitals, shelters, media buildings, childcare centers, homes. They could choose not to. They have an overwhelming military advantage. Their power outranks Hamas by an insane degree. It doesn't make it ok that Hamas hides rockets under schools, but Israel has a choice.
They know Hamas is using civilians as shields. They still target the shield. Let's not pretend Israel is not targeting innocent people. They are, with the end goal of striking Hamas. They are perfectly happy to kill 100 innocent Palestinians if it means they kill 10 Hamas.