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Originally Posted by Bingo
Who are these elite analytics players he's chased after? Don't most players like that have obvious positive impacts beyond analytics?
Players acquired by Trelving:
Hamilton - terrible advanced stats before he got to Calgary. Solid in Calgary and Carolina since.
Lindholm - solid in Carolina, solid in Calgary. Isn't he what his advanced stats say he is?
Hanifin - 2 out of 3 years in Carolina he had below average metrics
Ryan - Good in Carolina, good in Calgary. His game is what his metrics suggest he is.
Hamonic - didn't have great underlying numbers on Long Island, wasn't brought in for those reasons clearly
Neal - numbers were coming off in Vegas, before he signed in Calgary
Bottom line you want players that have shot volume, that means they're in the offensive zone more than they're in their own zone. But I don't see any evidence that Treliving acquired players based on simple corsi numbers.
The Flames lack game breakers and individual talent, but the teams that have those players all picked in the top 5-8 players of deep drafts. Calgary's one shot at that was Sam Bennett.
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Brad Treliving is a big analytics guy, it's the first thing I heared about him the day he arrived here and I think it's fair to say, that the direction he's gone after is a higher shot volume, possession style game. Now I don't know what other top analytics players who were available at the time that we can compare the players you mentioned to, but what I do know is that Treliving team's have proven to be analytics darlings over his time here, but they can't get over the hump and they consistently disappoint year in and year out in the same type of manner.
I'm not saying I'm against advanced stats or analytics or anything, I want to make that clear. But what I am saying is that this team has lacked quality shooters which I've mentioned constantly in the past and that glaring problem still has not been rectified. If anything, it's worse than past years. That falls on Treliving's decision making, his pro scouting team and his overall philosophy.