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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
The thing that makes me skeptical about people like Fravor is that he only ever seems to get interviewed by people who are sympathetic or believers. He accepts soft interviews exclusively where people are relying on him to be the expert, and quite frankly, he seems to love the attention he gets for it. You never see him go up against other experts that can provide down to Earth theories.
I don't think he is a liar and I am sure he is a good pilot, but I don't think he meets the criteria of being an expert. He is just a witness that saw something he personally can't explain.
OT, but a lot of this reminds me of the 1980s when there were UFO sightings being reported by the military and civilians, and the U.S. finally felt compelled to release the B2 stealth technology to the world because of it. They were experimenting with the technology on their military to see how they would react to it not knowing what it was. In order to make the experiment legitimate, they had to keep it a secret from their own pilots. I suspect something similar is happening right now. Either the U.S. doing it, or an adversary.
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Fravor does speak to the issues raised by debunkers though so its not like he ignores criticisms and I think he dismisses them quite rationally. If he ever did do a forum with another aerospace or weapons system expert that says he's wrong about what he and others saw and had instruments on I would watch it. And maybe the attention is fun for him, so what? He's an aviation geek that gets to talk about an extraordinary aerospace incident. Is that really so surprising?
He absolutely meets the criteria of an expert at identifying aircraft. That is what the navy invests vast sums of money on training and equipment for people like him and others to do cooperatively. Here's the guy in charge of the carrier groups air defense at the time talking about the incident
He had eyes and radar on one of them. This channel has 6 or 7 other interviews on this specific incident from navy personnel.
On your last point about the B2, I'd like a source on the claim that the military tested it in a similar way to this, like one branch would send a B2 against another branch without the people in the latter knowing they are in a test of some sort. I'm not saying your wrong on that, I have no idea, but I'd like to know how that would work because it seems reckless. I could see an adversary doing a test like this though, like if some other nation or group figured out how to engineer something like the tic tac.