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Old 04-05-2021, 09:22 PM   #2565
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Originally Posted by WCW Nitro View Post
Let's say a franchise had the winningest regular season record over the last 40 years, but one final appearance during that time, would you consider that franchise elite?And even that wouldn't be an entirely accurate comparison, because there could be a host of other factors for a longevity of a gm ( age when he first became a gm, ownership, etc)
Ya, I guess I would likely consider an executive who had compiled the winningest record over 40 years elite. Being a GM is hard, and to do that relative to your peers is frankly indicative of elite management. Cups are meaningful, but Ws are also very meaningful.

I am honestly just wondering how you evaluate what a good GM is. Your "hot take" indicated that it's expected for even the best GMs to have bad seasons, but here you are saying that winning cups and going deep into the playoffs is critical to being a good GM, but also David Poile has won a ton of games as a GM but isn't elite under your criteria.

Just to unpack:

- Being bad from time to time is ok.
- It's hard to count on a GM to bring consistent results
- But also, winning consistently, like Poile, and doing this over a long time doesn't mean you're that good
- But winning cups is the most important part of your criteria, along with going deep in the playoffs.
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