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Originally posted by moon+Dec 12 2004, 02:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (moon @ Dec 12 2004, 02:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Hakan@Dec 12 2004, 01:59 PM
You're right, this argument does sound ridiculous. The whole poor discriminated against white guy argument is so fallacious and backwards that I can't believe people still bring that up anymore. Listen, the reason that poor and aboriginal and whomever else gets to have favourable admission policies to university is because of a wholly deplorable lack of representation of those people in university institutions. Is that because they're lazy or just don't have what it takes? No, it's because they've been beaten down from the beginning over real sociological differences in priviledge and from historical legacies of discrimination and oppression (see: residential schools). And frankly, I'm quite glad to have gone to a university where it wasn't 100% white men and women but had a diversity of ethnicities and backgrounds.
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You just said that discrimination can be a good thing. White male disrimination is not a fallacious argument, its a very logical one:
White men = person, Brown girl = person, persons are equal under the law, brown girl gets access to many scholarships cause of race, white man gets no scholarship access due to race, both are supposed to be equal... therefore there is discrimination. That simple.
There are good reasons as you stated why it is this way, but it is still discrimination, just a warm cuddly version of it.
Either way, back to topic... we have myself, Red, Cowboy, Moon and others on one side, Hakan, Claeren, Calf and others for it, another group kinda apathetic in the middle... who's right?
the answer... none of us are wrong. But everyone on this board has different reasons to be for or against it.
I mean, if you look at the diversity of opinions on this board, it reflects society, and do we really think 300 odd MPs are capable of representing that vast array of opinions? no... this is clearly an issue that must come back to the people. I think both pro and anti same-sex marriage advocates agree, because each think they have the majority on their side... well, lets find out.
I agree with Ralph that we need a vote, even if gay marriage wins 95% to 5%.