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Originally Posted by Strange Brew
I wouldn't waste your energy arguing against a scenario that exactly no one is suggesting.
It's entirely a debate about who should be the one making the necessary changes.
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He explained that a new guy almost certainly means fewer immediate changes.
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Originally Posted by nik-
After the 2019 playoffs it was pretty apparent that this core had failed. So any of them, and multiple of them.
How many examples did Treliving need to realize that this wasn't going to work? People here were seeing it and we're just fans. Did he have to wait until it was totally 100% obvious? He needed it to be that blatant? Now their trade values are essentially half.
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We'll never know whether BT wanted to or did pursue this course of action. Ownership may have balked. Nearly every owner in the league would be involved in that decision.
Or BT may have explored the returns available and determined that it wasn't the best way to meet his mandate.
The period where it was a reasonable and feasible idea was really Dec 2019-Feb 2020 (or maybe 2017-18 season).
Trading stars is tough...if it leaks everything gets messy.
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
I see a lot of this now. I didn’t then. And it still doesn’t answer who he was trading these guys to and for what.
Everyone generalizes. No one can get specific. It’s pretty easy to say “the team Treliving built sucks”. But no one can really say what he should have done, and when, and how. I get that success matters and he bears the consequences. If he’s fired, I’m not fussed. I don’t think any other GM does much better, if at all.
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I was pushing hard to trade JG before the last TDL, but obviously I have no idea what the market for him actually was. I think the last TDL and off-season were a crossroads where the team could have re-tooled and extended their window. I'm not sure whether BT wanted to explore that path, but I'm pretty sure the owners didn't.
I don't necessarily mean to make excuses for BT. I think his contract negotiations also play into this...he would have been selling his accomplishments and a plan to put the team over the top in the short-term. Even though the evidence in front of our eyes changes, it would probably would have been tough to backtrack on that. Or, he may have believed his own hype.