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The Original FFIV · 03-24-2021, 07:14 PM

They say that you don't have to win every trade, only that you have to win more trades than you lose. So let's have a look at Treliving's trade history, from 2015 onwards (given that the 2014 draft had Burke's handprints all over it). Leaving out minor league transactions and pick flips as those are of little consequence:

2015:
Glencross to Washington for a 2nd and 3rd - win.
- used the second in the Hamilton trade and the 3rd to move up for Kylington
Baertschi to Vancouver for a 2nd - win
- drafted Andersson with the pick. Nuff said.
1st, 2 2nds for Dougie Hamilton - win
Steep price but fair for a top pairing D. Wasn't the right fit in Calgary but hard to argue with the price paid for that type of player

2016
Hudler to Florida for a 2nd and a 4th - win at the time but trending like a draw
- good return for Hudler but picks haven't panned out as yet
Russell to Dallas for 2nd, Jokipaaka and Pollock - win
- Dube was selected with 2nd which makes this a good win. Other players involved were spare parts
Jones for Backstrom and a 6th - win
- Good use to take back bad money and get a pick which was used for Phillips who still holds potential
Elliott for a 2nd - loss
- burned a high 2nd round pick for one year of a very average goalie who did nothing to help stabilize the crease and was gone the following year.
Stone for a 3rd/5th - loss.
- big overpayment for a 5th dman who was very average in Calgary.
Chad Johnson, Brandon Hickey and a 3rd for Mike Smith - win
- Smith provided decent performance for team and played well in playoffs. Trended down as expected but did decent work over 2 year period

2017
1st, 2 2nds for Travis Hamonic - big loss
- Hamonic never found his groove in Calgary. Was supposed to help change culture in dressing room but results on ice showed we acquired a defenceman in decline for a premium price
2nd round pick for Lazar - loss
- high pick given up for reclamation project. Too high of a pick surrendered for player that didn't turn out

2018
Ferland/Fox/Hamilton for Hanifin/Lindholm - win
Was able to recoup value for Hamilton who wasn't working out and got a top 6 F and top 4 dman back

2019
4th round pick for Fantenberg - loss
- Pick blown for a depth d who saw spot duty in short playoff run
Neal for Lucic - draw trending towards win
- bad signing resulted in bad fit swapped out for another bad contract which is looking better with impact Lucic has had on team

2020
Frolik for a 4th round pick - win
- was able to move Frolik out at full salary and get a pick back when he should have had to give up a pick for team to take on contract
3rd round pick for Gustafsson - loss
- high cost to acquire pp quarterback rental which failed to provide playoff success
4th round pick for Forbort - loss
- another depth acquisition which didn't help get us playoff success

Analysis - Treliving did some excellent work in his first coupld of years, had an awful 2017, but has been very middling since the Hamilton for Lindholm/Hanifin swap in 2018. Lots of picks sent out with very little value to show in return (asset wise and playoff success) and has subsequently hurt depth of team's prospect pool. He deserves credit for the good moves early on, but a pretty mixed bag after that.

03-24-2021, 07:14 PM	#1
The Original FFIV First Line Centre Join Date: Jan 2007 Exp:	Brad Treliving Trade History They say that you don't have to win every trade, only that you have to win more trades than you lose. So let's have a look at Treliving's trade history, from 2015 onwards (given that the 2014 draft had Burke's handprints all over it). Leaving out minor league transactions and pick flips as those are of little consequence: 2015: Glencross to Washington for a 2nd and 3rd - win. - used the second in the Hamilton trade and the 3rd to move up for Kylington Baertschi to Vancouver for a 2nd - win - drafted Andersson with the pick. Nuff said. 1st, 2 2nds for Dougie Hamilton - win Steep price but fair for a top pairing D. Wasn't the right fit in Calgary but hard to argue with the price paid for that type of player 2016 Hudler to Florida for a 2nd and a 4th - win at the time but trending like a draw - good return for Hudler but picks haven't panned out as yet Russell to Dallas for 2nd, Jokipaaka and Pollock - win - Dube was selected with 2nd which makes this a good win. Other players involved were spare parts Jones for Backstrom and a 6th - win - Good use to take back bad money and get a pick which was used for Phillips who still holds potential Elliott for a 2nd - loss - burned a high 2nd round pick for one year of a very average goalie who did nothing to help stabilize the crease and was gone the following year. Stone for a 3rd/5th - loss. - big overpayment for a 5th dman who was very average in Calgary. Chad Johnson, Brandon Hickey and a 3rd for Mike Smith - win - Smith provided decent performance for team and played well in playoffs. Trended down as expected but did decent work over 2 year period 2017 1st, 2 2nds for Travis Hamonic - big loss - Hamonic never found his groove in Calgary. Was supposed to help change culture in dressing room but results on ice showed we acquired a defenceman in decline for a premium price 2nd round pick for Lazar - loss - high pick given up for reclamation project. Too high of a pick surrendered for player that didn't turn out 2018 Ferland/Fox/Hamilton for Hanifin/Lindholm - win Was able to recoup value for Hamilton who wasn't working out and got a top 6 F and top 4 dman back 2019 4th round pick for Fantenberg - loss - Pick blown for a depth d who saw spot duty in short playoff run Neal for Lucic - draw trending towards win - bad signing resulted in bad fit swapped out for another bad contract which is looking better with impact Lucic has had on team 2020 Frolik for a 4th round pick - win - was able to move Frolik out at full salary and get a pick back when he should have had to give up a pick for team to take on contract 3rd round pick for Gustafsson - loss - high cost to acquire pp quarterback rental which failed to provide playoff success 4th round pick for Forbort - loss - another depth acquisition which didn't help get us playoff success Analysis - Treliving did some excellent work in his first coupld of years, had an awful 2017, but has been very middling since the Hamilton for Lindholm/Hanifin swap in 2018. Lots of picks sent out with very little value to show in return (asset wise and playoff success) and has subsequently hurt depth of team's prospect pool. He deserves credit for the good moves early on, but a pretty mixed bag after that.