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Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos
Do you actually see a difference between "he planned it" and "he planned FOR it"?
Escape route? Seriously?
And I don't want the think that if He exists, he's a dink and a ****-up. Quite the opposite, actually. If I'm going to believe in something clever enough to invent the sun and design my eyeballs, I have to believe that it's a pretty smart being, not prone to crazy mistakes and insistent on writing instruction manuals that are impossible to make sense of and dependent on sequels.
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Absolutely I see a difference. In He planned it, it means that He made humans specifically to screw up in order to ensure that He'd have to do all this other stuff. In He planned for it, He made humans to be His companions, knowing our inherent flaws and taking them into consideration. He didn't plan them to happen, but He knew they would. That's what happens when you have free will.
I don't know what term you'd like me to use because obviously you're deliberately being obtuse here. Does it matter what I say when I say He created an easier method, a different way, whatever the heck you want to call it! It doesn't matter what the term is.
Are they His mistakes or are they ours? We don't have to be such royal screw ups. He didn't make the mistake. He gave us free will because He cared enough to do so, knowing that with it, we'd bring upon our own destruction, we'd have our own companionship and wouldn't need His anymore, and eventually, we'd turn our backs on Him.
And 2000 years ago the rules made perfect sense. Then we became overpopulated and started living in cities and we needed group worship just to have any kind of worship at all and we changed our own rules.
Why should God not take into consideration that time moves forward and with it, so does knowledge and language? As a matter of fact, He does, or He tried to knowing that we were dependant on the language written 2000 years ago when he started talking about drying up a river and a 100 million man army and the mark of the beast. Do you think they understood any of what they were writing? Does it make more sense now? Certainly. He knew the limitations of language at the time, and knew what the world would become. He wrote the Book of Revelation in a language that's 2000 years old. They didn't have words like technology and computer back then, so He worked with what He had in order to create something we can interpret in todays language. I'd say that's pretty good. He has given us a warning and told us to take heed. He has told us exactly what the signs are so we know when to prepare for His return. That's a pretty forgiving Father, no?
What I'm saying is this: God took into consideration that our desire for knowledge would lead us to different places over the course of time. As such, He also needed to implement change. He knew that humans would evolve and overpopulate the planet and develop technology etc. If there was no Jesus, and there were more Jews because of it, what would the world look like today with people burning all the animals that we now eat? Do you think He really didn't see that we would starve to death? So He said we can stop now. You need that to eat. (Again, just another example...) He HAS taken this into consideration which is why His rules change.