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Originally Posted by Derek Sutton
The catholic church has become the whipping boy when it comes to religion however. Ask the Baptists, the Mormons, the Buddhists and Islamists what their churches stance is on homosexual relationships and the true answers will be far worse then "they are sinners'. While you are at it ask the Mormons what their stance is on those of African American heritage. I mean based on any and all religions we are all sinners. The catholic stance on this is no different then most every other religion in the world, while some other relgions still believe in stoning gays, setting them on fore or throwing them off of bridges.
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I respect your personal position and your ability to disagree with some of the more hateful teachings of the catholic church.
However, this is exactly what I was talking about.
In some countries where the catholic faith is dominant and being gay is against the law, punishments range from a few years in prison or a psychiatric hospital to life in prison.
Yes, there are a handful of countries (8 I believe, primarily Islam) where punishments include whipping/lashes, stoning, and death. Congratulations, your religion is not sentencing people to death. It's also not stopping anyone from putting people in prison for life. So is that really a moral high ground you want to take? Like, we may be bad, but we're not killing people, so we're actually pretty good?
Knowing what Muslims have been through in 1st world countries, it's incredible that a Catholic might pretend for even a moment their religion is "the whipping boy." I'm sorry people make jokes while your religion of choice relegates whole sections of the population to hell and nurtures a welcoming space for the imprisonment of gay men and the rape of young boys. That must be difficult compared to being profiled, beat up, told you're not welcome, or actually killed, all of which people in other religions have actually experienced frequently in the western world because they follow that religion. Yes, I'm sure jokes hurt, but I have a difficult time believing any catholic that views themselves or their religion as victims because "jokes." Especially when the actual victims of discrimination here, the LGBTQ+ community, are being discriminated against by your religion.
If you want to talk about religions that are much worse than Catholics in their treatment of homosexuality, why not also mention the religions that are much better? United, Presbyterian, and much of Judaism outside Orthodoxy all seem to have figured it out, to name a few.
What stops a Catholic who disagrees with so much of the Catholic church from leaving and joining United or Presbyterian, I wonder? I have never really understood this. What is so good about this version of Christianity, that you would actively support an organization you disagree with instead of finding one with values closer to your own?