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Did you miss Skinners career year? Goes to sign a huge deal and looks like he has given up.
Okposo had healthy issues no one wanted to touch... buffalo being desperate signed him anyways...
Kane was a cancer in Winnipeg, he looked uninterested in Buffalo
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Uh huh. So shouldn't Eichel have had them build on their success elsewhere and not go the other way? Yeah, there's something wrong in Buffalo. Maybe it's their "franchise player" isn't that franchise after all?
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Sorry I dont think the "he doesnt elevate other players" argument holds weight. How good is olofsson without eichel?
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Pretty damn good? Has been a very good player at every level he's played at. 27 goals in 50 games for Frolunda. 30 goals in 66 AHL games for Rochester. 20 goals in his rookie season in Buffalo.
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O'Reilly is an interesting case study there... seems he regressed significantly after going to buffalo even saying he lost the drive to play. Players going to buffalo to die is an organization issue, not an eichel issue.
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Yes, O'Reilly is an interesting case study. O'Reilly's career year prior to the move to Buffalo was 28 goals and 64 points, with an average year (discounting rookie and sophomore seasons of 26 points and his 2012-13 20 point season) being 58 points. Once he moved to Buffalo his goal production took a small drop from his career year, but was almost identical to his average in Colorado (21 goals) and points (58). When he went to St. Louis he had his career year of 28 goals and 77 points, but he's been between a 65-70 point player since that high. And all that took was going to a Stanley Cup winning team laden with talented players. His big jump wasn't that unexpected IMO, not when you have guys like Tarasenko, Schenn, Perron, Bozek, Schwartz, Pietrangelo, Parayko, Bouwmeester, and on and on. Could we expect the same result if Eichel came to Calgary, especially after having to off load the roster players needed to make the deal? Then again, the Sabres took a bag of crap for O'Reilly, so maybe the hit wouldn't be that bad... after the cap considerations are worked out. If we could get him for the equivalent of Backlund, Ryan, Pellettier/Zary, and a 1st, then more power to the Flames. But if the cost is Tkachuk, Monahan, a prospect, and a 1st, that's a big loss for the Flames and the talent isn't there to replicate the O'Reilly bounce.
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Even McDavid couldnt carry a franchise to playoffs until they added some pieces.
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Yes, but McHobo has ripped this league apart offensively. Eichel hasn't even been close. Jesus, he's 150+ points behind McHobo! And the talent level that Eichel has had to work with in Buffalo hasn't been that bad. Something is wrong there, no doubt, but Eichel should not be given a pass in that mess. He's supposedly some franchise player, well be one and make your team better.