CaptainCrunch: I won't quote because I hate the super long posts.
I've got to challenge you on this boss. by putting other peoples beliefs over the the beliefs of people who believe that gay marriage, or a gay life style is wrong, you are taking away thier right to freedom of epression and free will.
Hardly. People are free to believe that something is wrong, or that they would never do it. That is fine...but when it is actively opposed, so that nobody can do it, they are the ones that are forcing their own beliefs upon others. Legalizing gay marriages does not make it mandatory for everyone. It does not deny anyone their opinion or belief.
But they honestly believe this and have gained this from thier own personal beliefs and religious studies, what gives you the right to judge that thier interepretation that gay marriage is wrong. By stating this your actually putting the rights and beliefs of one group over the rights and beliefs of another group. What would you say if these people challenged the court over the suppression of thier religious beliefs because the courts gave the rights of homosexual marriage"
Again, they are free to believe it is wrong all they like. But by trying to make it illegal they are forcing everyone to adhere to what they believe. If it is legal, they can hate it all they like, and not participate, but they are not directly influenced by it. I am not judging whether they are right in the belief that gay marriage is wrong, I am judging that the denial of a marriage between two gay people is wrong because it essentially forces the belief that it is wrong upon everyone.
would you say that if the majority of the province voted against gay marriage that they were wrong and stupid? Wouldn't you be impacting on thier beliefs?
They wouldn't be stupid if that was the opinion of the people. They are free to believe what they like. Should it be allowed anyway? Yep. Back when women couldn't vote, I bet you the majority thought that it should be that way. It changed anyway. Popular opinion does not necessarily dictate the best course of action.
However the governments or the courts have no right to impose thier wills on the church on the matters of belief or sacriment. Therefore if the Supreme Court approves gay marriage and the Catholic Church or any other religion refuses to recogonize that decision and refuses to perform those ceremonies, then there should be nothing that the government of church should do.
I agree with you. However, marriages occur outside of churches all the time. I am sure that gay couples would also be fine with this.
You can't force your beliefs to supercede religious beliefs, you can't call people fanatics because they have a different belief system then you. The government and courts have no jurisdiction to change thousand year old beliefs or scriptures.
I am not calling anyone a fanatic because I don't agree with them. You lost me there. I think that a fanatic is someone who is not willing to consider another viewpoint, and at all costs strive to push only their own.
The beliefs come from old scriptures, and therefore the government has no right to try to change them??? Wow, I have no idea where you are going. The government has no right to change a belief, sure. How old they are has nothing to do with it. However, the government is not changing anything by allowing a gay marriage to occur. People can go on believing whatever they like. And gay people can have the same privilege of getting married as the rest of us.
Sorry for the long post, I guess not using the quote button didn't really make it much shorter.
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