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Originally Posted by Aarongavey
Well he has kept 4, Johnny even scored a NHL goal before BT arrived. He has kept 4 to other teams 2 or 1.
You are correct, you did not start with he has done nothing, I did. But he has done far less than any other organization. Another factual correct statement is that everyone did something over the past 7 years. There is not a franchise that has the same players now as then.
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Counting Johnny is a bit misleading. The kid played one game at the end of the year to make sure they got him signed to an NCAA contract.
IMO the better comparison is looking at the first real playoff failure this team had in 16-17, which would have been the first indication that maybe this core needed a change and wasn't good enough to win.
Current Flames that were on that 16-17 roster that played 10+ games that year:
Gaudreau, Monahan, Backlund, Tkachuk, Bennett, and Giordano.
So 6 players still on the roster from that season. Both goalies, the entire d-core outside of Giordano, and over half of the forward group have been changed over in the 4 seasons since getting swept by the Ducks.
Compare that to players that played on North Division teams that season (10+ games):
Winnipeg - 10: Morrissey, Lowry, Ehlers, Wheeler, Scheifele, Perreault, Copp, Little, Hellebuyck, Connor
Edmonton - 9: McDavid, Draisaitl, RNH, Kassian, Larsson, Russell, Nurse, Puljujarvi, Klefbom (IR)
Montreal - 7: Danault, Byron, Petry, Weber, Lehkonen, Gallagher, Price,
Toronto - 6: Hyman, Matthews, Nylander, Marner, Rielly, Andersen,
Vancouver - 4 : Sutter, Horvat, Edler, Eriksson
Ottawa -0: (This isn't a good thing)
So I'd honestly say the Flames have turned over the roster pretty well and are in line with other teams.
I certainly wouldn't want to be Ottawa who don't have a single player left from those teams. Even Vancouver would probably like it if they still had Markstrom and Tanev from that season on their roster still.
You can argue they haven't made that one "Big" change (one of Gio, Monahan, Gaudreau) to the core to move out one of the longest term pieces but Treliving has made a lot of changeover otherwise and this roster looks nothing like the roster we had in 16-17 or even 17-18, and really he did make a big core change when he moved out Hamilton and didn't bring back Brodie (mistake was not trading Brodie for assets but anywho).
Edit: I'm more curious now so decided to expand to the other playoff teams from 16-17.
Eastern Conference:
1) Washington - 8: Wilson, Orlov, Kuznetsov, Ovechkin, Backstrom, Eller, Carlson, Oshie,
2) Pittsburgh - 6: Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Rust, Guentzel, Dumolin
3) Columbus - 9: Atkinson, Foligno, Werenski, Jones, Dubinsky, Jenner, Savard, Bjorkstrand, Harrington
4) Montreal - 7: detailed above
5) New York -3: Kreider, Zibanejad, Buchnevich
6) Ottawa - 0 detailed above
7) Boston- 7: Marchand, Pastrnak, Krejci, Bergeron, Carlo, Miller, Rask
8) Toronto - 6 detailed above
Western Conference
1) Chicago - 3: Kane, Toews, Keith,
2) Minnesota - 6: Suter, Parise, Spurgeon, Dumba, Brodin, Eriksson Ek
3) Anaheim - 7: Getzlaf. Rakell, Silfverberg, Fowler, Lindholm, Manson, Gibson
4) Edmonton - 9: Detailed Above
5) St.Louis - 6: Tarasenko, Schwartz, Parayko, Barbashev, Bortuzzo, Sanford, (plus Perron left and came back)
6) San Jose - 7: Burns, Couture, Vlasic, Hertl, Lebanc, Meier, Jones,
7) Calgary - 6: Detailed Above
8) Nashville - 10: Arvidsson, Johansen, Forsberg, Josi, Ellis, Jarnkrok, Ekholm, Sissons, Rinne, Saros
So really only teams that have went full rebuild (Ottawa, NYR, Chicago) have changed over their roster more than the Flames among playoff teams from 16-17.
So doesn't look like the Flames have "done far less than other organizations" as you have stated. I've mentioned this in another thread but the trade market and lack of trades in the NHL is not a Brad Treliving or a Calgary Flames problem. It's an NHL in general problem, and if anything Treliving has been more active than other GMs. Teams that have committed to "re-tooling' like Minnesota, Anaheim, & San Jose have as many players left from that season on their roster as the Flames do. The fact is in the NHL high salary players on big contracts just don't move that often and you rarely see "hockey trades".