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					Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus  Hartley was as hard assed as it gets and ultimately it's what lead to his demise in Calgary. Now people are clamoring for a return to the madness? 
 When this many voices achieve the same result, it's not the voice that's the problem.
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I think it is more nuanced than "hard ass" - Hartley was nasty, so was Babcock. There are "hard ass" coaches that manage to get along and have respectful relationships with players - Sutter, Tortorella, for example.