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Originally Posted by JackIsBack
Why should he.... I guess pointing out the truth about Covid and how they scared the population to do absolutely horrendous things to our way of life, freedom, and the economy is not allowed. I don't question Hamonic's decision, but our response to this pandemic was/is all WRONG - whether you agree now with my statement or not, that doesn't matter, I think history will prove it correct just like history before has on things like mask mandates in LA for example - just 100 years earlier during the Spanish Flu pandemic. They (masks) didn't work then and they don't work now (only marginally having any effect). I looked statistically at the North American death rates for 2019 and compared those numbers to the same months that I had for 2020... during a pandemic, you would expect to see an increase (excluding accidents, suicides, and murders) to the same earlier time frame - yet you DON'T - it's flat.... then I saw a detailed peer reviewed studied on this exact same topic, of course it has since been removed by I think Stanford if I remember correctly (not for being wrong btw - but for be politically incorrect at this time), which takes it further and compares deaths by age category - and even when comparing the elderly age categories (those most effected by Covid) you don't see an increase at all. All you see is a shifting of deaths from other factors like cancer and heart disease to Covid, in the same magnitude.
Bottom line is this.... the Covid deaths are overblown and in the future, will be sadly swamped by deaths caused by our so called reaction (cure) to this pandemic. Like it our not, this is a clear example where the cure is far worse then the disease itself, and that makes me very sad as we will see deaths from suicide and substance abuse far outpace even the overblown death rates of Covid itself. Will this fact be suppressed - I think it may.
As they knew at the start of this pandemic (judging by their own statements)... and as history indeed shows with other pandemics, you can't stop a pandemic once it's out in the greater community unless you somehow get people immune (herd immunity) to it, you can only delay people from getting it (flatten the curve).... but with these lock downs - all we did was just push it from more people getting it in the spring to more people getting it now - they just shifted the outbreak, and they always knew that was going to happen - statistically again, the number of people getting it was always going to remain the same unless we had a way of making people immune (vaccine) - it was just a matter of timing. The irony in all this is with this disease - people outside rarely transmit it (I'd say statistically zero), people needed to be in confined space with each other to transmit it (in buses, subways, or in homes for example)... and that's exactly what the lock down measures did (luckily it was mostly within families - but nursing homes and other institutions weren't). Quebec has a 8pm curfew right now.... so they are confining people together, which makes little sense, is the virus somehow more transmittable after 8pm then it is before - just think logically about this and you can see how absurd we've all been.
Anyhow... not to harp.... but I really look forward to our post review on all this nonsense, and I hope we learn from it. In the 1930s, masks were studied as they were mandated in some jurisdiction during the 1918 Spanish Flu outbreak and they found no difference in transmission rates between areas with mask mandates and those without.... so masks don't work, they simple don't, they just keep this pandemic if our face (literally) and they create a panic and scare.
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Your post is filled with misinformation.
Masks are proven to work, and during the Spanish Influenza, many people wore masks made out of cheesecloth - hardly stopping anything of note.
Also, the death rate from covid is low - we are relatively lucky in this regard. However, the more it spreads, and the more hospitals become overburdened, the higher the death rate. Why? Because medications and other treatments become more scarce. Doctors end up making 'tougher choices', and people who might survive if given treatments are passed over for others who will have higher chances for success. This leads to higher death rates.
On top of this, this virus SEEMS to be more deadly when someone is exposed to higher counts of the virus. Doctors and other health care experts treating patients - including respiratory experts - end up dying. So as people are coming in to get treatments, they are then having to be treated by other doctors who aren't experts in this field, so you would expect death rates to increase. These are some of the reasons why you see higher death rates in some countries over others.
There is also an issue with mutations - there are already a couple mutations (that we know of) that are more contagious, but not as deadly. This is also rather dangerous. Why? There could very well be a mutation that will be more dangerous. It is natural for viruses to mutate over time. Some mutations are rather benign and can be no more worse or contagious than before, or even mutate into something less serious. However, mutations can very well develop into a much higher 'killer', and one only has to look at a couple of other coronaviruses to see how deadly this family of viruses CAN be.
For instance, did you know that HIV has a few variants? I am not up-to-date on HIV treatments, but there are mutations that will quickly develop into full-blown AIDS, and others that will take years and years. (I do not know if treatments have improved the quicker and much more deadly strain).
Why does this matter? Think about it this way - if you have a virus and it mutates inside of you, making it more deadly, but you live in a rural area and don't come into contact with anyone, the disease dies with you (assuming the people that find and take care of your body take precautions). However, in a city, you will be in contact with many other people, and the disease will spread regardless of how deadly it is.
You also have to add the chances of people passing on these diseases to other animals. This increases the mutation risk as well. 50 million mink have been killed in Europe over this very risk - people passed it onto the mink, and the mink in turn passed it back into humans.
So far through MOST of North America, the death rates due to COVID have remained flat because the hospitals haven't collapsed, and also as scientists and doctors are learning about this disease, better treatment options are being discovered as well. One only needs to look at Italy to see the fluctuations in the death rate.
Also, I cared for my elderly father for a number of years. The 'simple flu' is a killer to the elderly. Without looking, I am betting that Influenza infections are way down this year thanks to these public health measures. This may be flattening the death rate in the elderly (if your information is actually accurate - I have not looked up year-to-year death rates in certain groups myself, and it does matter where you get your information). My father passed away last year right before the outbreak happened, but he took a giant step down in his health and abilities when he caught the flu. Went from being a completely self-sufficient man who went for long walks every day, to being hospitalized for 4 months and living another 10 years under full-time care and very fragile. That's the Flu, and coronavirus is worse.
This is also a brand-new disease. We don't know the full extent of the long-term health issues this disease will bring, but more and more studies are shedding light on this very topic, and the news is not good at all.
I get it.. you don't want to believe that the world is changed, and you want to continue living as if nothing is different. It isn't easy to socially isolate, and the economic hardships are difficult to stomach too. There is an unquestionable cost of human life to these shutdowns as well which shouldn't (and isn't!!) ignored.
However, if everyone just did their damn part, there would not be a need for lockdowns. Just because the measures are working and the hospitals (for the most part) haven't been devastated, does not mean this is overblown fear. We all saw the pictures coming out of Italy at the time, and we started to see it in New York as well. Please explain to me why they had to bring in refrigerated trucks if there were no more deaths than normal? Explain to me why Brazil is doing mass burials?
The dangerous of coronavirus is very real, and the death rates do change when infection rates increase. Flattening the curve is incredibly important.
Here is something to think about...
Contrast and compare the 'free countries of the world' with one of only 4 communist countries left in the world - Vietnam.
Vietnam did the contact tracing and shutdowns, people there are used to wearing masks and it isn't a politicized issue like it is here. People were forced into isolation.
Now look at the difference. We are still socially isolated here, schools are regularly shut down, there are people dying every single day of covid... and in Vietnam, they are walking around enjoying all their freedoms like going to restaurants, coffee shops, having the children go to schools, etc., etc. Only difference is that the border is closed to prevent any community transmission.
It is so ironic to me that a communist country who made the effort to get in front of this (and that shares an actual border with China which was the epicentre of this outbreak) has its population enjoying all this freedom, while the 'free people' of the world - who refuse to be told what to do like wearing masks and trying to be more responsible - have less freedoms now. If only we all took this virus seriously, maybe we could all be enjoying the freedoms that a communist country has.
You don't need an authoritarian government in place to control the virus. There are examples of countries who have managed to get this under control and have kept it under control, and they are maintaining their freedoms (except travel restrictions of course - since many countries are not controlling this). People bought-in to making a sacrifice in those countries and being socially responsible.
/first and only rant about covid on these forums by me.