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Originally Posted by Mull
Can you explain the option of the clueless congress people perspective here to me better?
I understand Nacy has had an effective career as the leader in the house, but what would make someone clueless for voting against her to try to push another vote for new blood?
If I understand the system right, this isn't the general election, where a vote against Biden is a vote for Trump, this is the house. A democrat vote against Nancy, is a vote for a new candidate. Given the dems control the house, it is unlikely they are supporting a vote for the republicans, just a different dem leader.
In short, I don't get the perceived issue with voting against Nancy in this particular vote?
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I agree with the jest of what you are saying. Voting against Pelosi is not a bad thing. The Democrats need new leadership and Pelosi is one that needs to go. A vote against her is not a vote against the party, it may be just a vote for new blood or a statement of your wish to go in another direction. A present vote usually states this without voting against the leader in question.
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Originally Posted by Mull
I am going to do the horrible social media thing of making a comment after only skimming an article. So with that context (feel free to embarrass me for missing the point)....
I don't think this is a fox news or right vs left issue- I think this is an issue of group think and people of all political spectrums finding safe spaces to have only their own perspectives echo'd back at them. This then leads to fake news turning into "real" news.
I laugh as this is a Huff post article and I feel they are a huge contributor to this issue in society. I recall some of their misinformation about how pipelines are built.
-Is Fox one of the most impactful? Probably,
-Are the viewers of Fox likely farther gone than the left? I think so, but I am bias as heck on this
However, this does occur on the left and the left won't self reflect. The left tends to gloat about how stupid they feel the right is. Critical thought and being constructively challenged on ones view points are leaving as we get into social media bubbles, which has the downstream effect of dividing us, which is killing us. Huff post should be considered a real contributor of this problem.
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You're building a false equivalency here. You're trying to suggest that the left has the same infrastructure and the same level of concise strategy behind what they do. We have to acknowledge that each of the entities is what it is and not equal players in the game.
For example, Huffington Post is a left leaning site. They give progressives a voice to espouse their point of view, no doubt. But when you look at how they present information and the voices they give access to, it is not some ####show like some sites on the right. Where on the left is there a fear factory like Fox News, Breitbart, or NewsMax? Where on the left is there a propaganda network like Fox News, OANN, or Sinclair? Where on the left is the think tank establishment like the Heritage Foundation, American Enterprise Institute, the Cato Institute, and so on? Where on the left is the well organized political activist community that can rival The Federalist Society, Americans for Prosperity, FreedomWorks, and so on?
The suggestion that this disinformation war (this is NOT misinformation, this is flat out disinformation, done with clear intent) is equitable is an insult to the intelligence of anyone who is paying attention. But there is the most significant problem, most people aren't paying attention.