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Originally Posted by doozwimp
OP here. Just wanted to go on record as a devout atheist. Thankfully it's someone elses cheerios you're pissing in, though i am pretty convinced beyond reasonable doubt that in all probability jesus was a real bloke. Wasnt asserting that the house they found was conclusively Jesus Christ's, only that it ticked enough boxes that it was worthy of speculation and discussion.
My own two cents less elegantly put or well researched as textcritic's contribution is that a crucifixtion is a pretty bonkers thing to make up if one were to try to invent the messiah which(among other factors) leads me to believe it really happened, was probably inconvenient for those trying to push this new fangled cult of christianity thing, and is probably true, though doubtlessly exaggerated and warped by time and wisful thinking.
Even if first hand sources are scant and self serving it still fits neat enough to make sense in the context of the time and place. Obviously the resurrection was a delusion or invention of one of his followers which too is logical enough as a plausible explanation for the non supernatural origin of the story.
As has been noted the lack of contemporary first hand sources isnt really a barrier to plausibilty as most histories of the time were likely to be oral with luck to be written down later. Besides a few cherry picked examples (emperors and kings like Julius Caesar) how much can we really expect to be written of a joe schmo carpenter?
Scholars i've listened to seem pretty convinced of John the Babtists historicity and too find his letters (which have been well vetted, though i'll admit i haven't read them myself) credible in their description of Jesus. John himself contemporaneous with jesus, seemed to believe in Jesus.
Being so long ago, short of genetic proof, anything is possible i suppose, but I myself find the non divine existence of Jesus more plausible than his invention.
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Crucifiction was pretty much the standard method of execution for the Roman's though, they probably nailed up millions of poor schmoes