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Originally Posted by Looger
as to the debate i am pretty on the fence here...
i see hunting gun registration as a list to round 'em up, with three days of food on grocery shelves...
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I'm not sure what your getting at, however the majority of people who hunt are doing it as a sporting activity, besides hunting is somewhat of a Canadian tradition, natives do still hunt for some food, and farmers use hunting rifles to get rid of coyotes and other harmful critters on thier land, so I believe that hunting long rifles have to remain protected. However how hard is it to take a hunting rifle, add a commonly available long distant site, and etch a breaking point on the front of a hundred rounds to go from a simple hunting rifle to a pretty deadly sniper rifle with expanding rounds.
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Originally Posted by Looger
yet i think that guns made for the express purpose of homicide should not be allowed to be manufactured, though obviously porous borders do nothing but drive the street prices up from $100 or whatever in the states to a few hundred here - guns aren't huge and can be broken down.
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You'd never ever stop the manufacturing of it since most of them are made by companies in unregulated countries who have bought the stamping tools and licenses and don't care where thier weapons end up. China is one of the bigger manufacturers of the AK-47 rifle and AKM assualt rifle. Singapore turns out thousands of UZI's a year, and if you want to buy a decent UZI knockoff you can buy a similar gun out of any number of eastern block countries.
In order to stop the flow of weapons like these, you either have to shut down the manufacturers or do a better job of border enforcement. Gun restrictions or registries do nothing to solve the problem and just waste a lot of money.
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Originally Posted by Looger
i think we should have a swiss style reservist gun ownership, which might weed out some people that should not be allowed to own one.
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Until somebody breaks into your house one night when your out steals your rifle, grinds off the serial numbers and scores the barrel making the weapon untraceable.
[quote=Looger;765577]very complex issue...[/quote
Sorry to play devil advocate on your post.
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Originally Posted by Looger
wo christmases ago i was at a gun store (er sporting goods store...), shopping for GPS handhelds, and there was a huge lineup of older germans buying guns as if they were butter (bad joke on the germans, sorry...) - and i got to talking to this older dude, and he said that gun control was a warning sign under hitler.
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I forgot what book I read it in, but thats very true about the german state. If your truly going to be an authoritarian government the first thing you do is remove guns from the streets. Thats why the American's are so zealous of protecting thier second ammendment rights. Now a lot of european nations didn't come from the gun culture that the American's did, but the American culture is unique even in North America, because Canada didn't put as much emphasis on the right to bear arms and were on thier borders, had similar civil type wars and invasions. I don't know what Mexican gun control laws are like, but they were also a 6 barrel nation.
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Originally Posted by Looger
i've heard some differing reports regarding the third reich and gun control, but regardless of that, to this day gun registry / control is associated with centralized powerful governments in the minds of many.
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From what I understand the Germans had a fairly liberal gun control position before Hitler came into power, and Hitler made a complete gun ban including rifles, he believed that only the police and the military should have control of the nations fire arms "For the safety and security of germans citizens"