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Originally Posted by New Era
The whole outrage act is old. He makes some good points, but they are lost in his over the top outrage.
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This I can jive with; Cody's schtick has always been a younger, bearded Louis Black.
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Originally Posted by New Era
Seems like a smart guy, but this schtick isn't converting anyone. If this is what it takes to get through to Bernie Bros, I can see why they are the way they are.
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As I've noted previously, I (as a shock to no one) mingle in some *very* left leaning circles. This is probably (outside of Twitter, "stare into the void" ventures into Voat and Gab, and random Facebook articles) the most centrist/right-wing space I communicate with on a frequent basis.
I do not identify as a "radical leftist", regardless of my reputation here, and in these other circles I am significantly more center than a good portion of the posters. That said, after discussing this video with a notable amount of self-identifying socialists/communists,
this video did resonate.
There are those that have written off the entire system entirely due to the oligarchical nature of the US and the general belief that only "revolution" will change the system, but for many who want to see affected change from within, this video spoke their language, from a person whose comedic opinion they do not distrust. It was exactly the kind of video that would push more ambivalent leftists to consider voting.
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Originally Posted by New Era
Hmmmm, this is an interesting comment. I think it boils down to framing. Yeah, the Lincoln Project are a bunch of ######bags who are eating their own, but their messaging is just absolutely fantastic. That is the only thing that impresses me about them. Their craft is so good and their shorts are so compelling that you have to give them credit for their work. Do I buy what they are selling? Hell no. But if they help defeat Trump I'll let them do their thing. They are swaying lots of people with their messages, so that is a good thing.
Bernie Bros are just a little too crazy for my liking. I don't know what it is. Whether it's the intentional ignorance of the system, of their pie in the sky optimism/expectation for a 180 turn in how Americans perceives the country and themselves, it is just too much. This is a country that runs in the other direction from the hint of socialism, unaware they fully embrace it in so many ways. Maybe its just the fact that this group can't get their heads around changing their messaging to show just how socialist the US is? If they could get together with the Lincoln Project guys and get them to produce some spots showing just how socialist the United States is, maybe they could gain some traction. Until they develop a better messaging campaign they are considered the fringe. That is what needs to change, because you can't win anything being on the fringe side of the left.
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And this is effectively the crux of it, and the problem with centrism in the US. You identify more with a group you (in theory) would find morally reprehensible in most contexts from a social standpoint, but hold your nose to share their content and pat them on the back for their output because you share a common goal (their intentions and post-election interests notwithstanding). Leftists however, you do not choose to identify with at all. There is a handwaving of appreciation for their "nobility" and "purity of purpose", but no acknowledgement that you (I assume) very much share many of their social desires.
How sad is it that you will be more humane and welcoming to a group that opposes your base ideals because they have money, power and a slick ad campaign, and dismiss the crass, grassroots attempts at
achieving the same thing (ousting Trump), even though you have more in common politically with that group.
If you don't believe there is a merit to engaging or understanding leftists to try and help you achieve your goal, but it's okay to reach across the aisle because they "speak your language", you are the embodiment of why there is so much disillusionment and cynicism about the Democratic Party.