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curves2000 · 10-01-2020, 06:07 PM

I think some posters might have only read a portion of my post or had some pre-conceived notions.

I am not suggesting that this wasn't a terrible act or that the video wasn't awful or that Quebec or this hospital doesn't have a race or racism. Every single thing that we have seen in this video show's bad, in every way shape or form. In my post I acknowledged racism, sexism and other discrimination in the health care system exists 100%, I am not denying that.

What I was just wondering, not really questioning or arguing is if this was specifically tied to race and if so, did I miss something in the news pieces I had seen. Although the video evidence and treatment of this patient is about as brutal as is possible, I have seen incidences, videos and stories of similar LEVELS of abuse and neglect in the health care system. I don't think this was an isolated incident to this hospital or this patient and can be a story told a thousand times from people of various backgrounds.

I agree Canada does have a racism issue with first nations people and its a very complicated history and I don't think it's getting better, if anything, worse.

I have always advocated for significantly more extreme measures in attempting to address SOME of the issues. You hear first nations leaders talk about certain things and I hear people in charge just pacifying them with more BS and just throwing some cash at the problem.

Considering some of the issues we face as a country with racism, poverty, access to health care, education, substance abuse etc, it's safe to say the way things are set up isn't. working well. Nobody can really stand here and say the way things are in 2020 is really moving in the right direction and people are happy with the results.

I know we have a lot of very progressive people talking up a big game about this and that but are the results really there? Have they been there over the long term? Will things improve if we go down the same paths that some of the expert progressive individuals think, not listen to, will address?

When you hear people like Jody Wilson Raybould discuss what happened to her and how that entire situation played out, how can we believe any of this garbage coming out of these powerful people's mouths?? When she said something along the lines of "I was taken out as Justice Minister and they wanted to put me in charge of the Indian Act so I can hand out welfare chq's" that should be a very stark reminder of how brutal we are dealing with this.

I recall reading a piece on the Teck Resources mine project that was railroaded by the current federal government, despite what they say at the time. One of the leaders of a local first nation, which had VERY VERY strong local support from various bands in the area said something along the lines of "Does anybody have a plan for our people? We supported this project and people were looking at improving their lives through it but now what?"

It's pretty safe to say that we could probably fire about 90+% of everybody who works at the local, provincial and federal level in dealing with a lot of the issues discussed in this thread and many more conversations. They aren't doing jack ****** s*** if they are honest. Shuffling paper, answering emails, getting paid well and handing out money while the situation at best stays terrible.

What's the problem with what? A lot of white people with cushy government jobs are going to be out of work? Especially in power centers like Ottawa? Are we going to allow that to happen to help improve the situation?

Are we going to going to allow first nations to do whatever it is they want to do with their specific land? Do they really need to go through Ottawa on all these approvals for projects of many different kinds? What if specific projects go against certain pledges made by white men, in suits, in glass towers in Ottawa, NY, Brussels and Paris? What's that all about if we are really honest about empowering FN youth? What about the reverse?

Sorry about the rant but I always get a good kick out of a lot of people running around yelling racism at anything and everything and than when it comes time to do anything, all of a sudden a lot of people are quite. If people want to address a lot of the issues, extreme actions will be needed and a lot of people in power will need to relinquish power and have to pay some big time $$$$ out of their own pockets.

How many people are willing to do that?

10-01-2020, 06:07 PM	#65
curves2000 First Line Centre Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Calgary, Canada Exp:	I think some posters might have only read a portion of my post or had some pre-conceived notions. I am not suggesting that this wasn't a terrible act or that the video wasn't awful or that Quebec or this hospital doesn't have a race or racism. Every single thing that we have seen in this video show's bad, in every way shape or form. In my post I acknowledged racism, sexism and other discrimination in the health care system exists 100%, I am not denying that. What I was just wondering, not really questioning or arguing is if this was specifically tied to race and if so, did I miss something in the news pieces I had seen. Although the video evidence and treatment of this patient is about as brutal as is possible, I have seen incidences, videos and stories of similar LEVELS of abuse and neglect in the health care system. I don't think this was an isolated incident to this hospital or this patient and can be a story told a thousand times from people of various backgrounds. I agree Canada does have a racism issue with first nations people and its a very complicated history and I don't think it's getting better, if anything, worse. I have always advocated for significantly more extreme measures in attempting to address SOME of the issues. You hear first nations leaders talk about certain things and I hear people in charge just pacifying them with more BS and just throwing some cash at the problem. Considering some of the issues we face as a country with racism, poverty, access to health care, education, substance abuse etc, it's safe to say the way things are set up isn't. working well. Nobody can really stand here and say the way things are in 2020 is really moving in the right direction and people are happy with the results. I know we have a lot of very progressive people talking up a big game about this and that but are the results really there? Have they been there over the long term? Will things improve if we go down the same paths that some of the expert progressive individuals think, not listen to, will address? When you hear people like Jody Wilson Raybould discuss what happened to her and how that entire situation played out, how can we believe any of this garbage coming out of these powerful people's mouths?? When she said something along the lines of "I was taken out as Justice Minister and they wanted to put me in charge of the Indian Act so I can hand out welfare chq's" that should be a very stark reminder of how brutal we are dealing with this. I recall reading a piece on the Teck Resources mine project that was railroaded by the current federal government, despite what they say at the time. One of the leaders of a local first nation, which had VERY VERY strong local support from various bands in the area said something along the lines of "Does anybody have a plan for our people? We supported this project and people were looking at improving their lives through it but now what?" It's pretty safe to say that we could probably fire about 90+% of everybody who works at the local, provincial and federal level in dealing with a lot of the issues discussed in this thread and many more conversations. They aren't doing jack **** s* if they are honest. Shuffling paper, answering emails, getting paid well and handing out money while the situation at best stays terrible. What's the problem with what? A lot of white people with cushy government jobs are going to be out of work? Especially in power centers like Ottawa? Are we going to allow that to happen to help improve the situation? Are we going to going to allow first nations to do whatever it is they want to do with their specific land? Do they really need to go through Ottawa on all these approvals for projects of many different kinds? What if specific projects go against certain pledges made by white men, in suits, in glass towers in Ottawa, NY, Brussels and Paris? What's that all about if we are really honest about empowering FN youth? What about the reverse? Sorry about the rant but I always get a good kick out of a lot of people running around yelling racism at anything and everything and than when it comes time to do anything, all of a sudden a lot of people are quite. If people want to address a lot of the issues, extreme actions will be needed and a lot of people in power will need to relinquish power and have to pay some big time $$$$ out of their own pockets. How many people are willing to do that? Last edited by curves2000; 10-01-2020 at 06:31 PM.