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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Put another way, when you first responded, you asked White Out 403 to look at the tone of his post and think to himself, "what did you think was going to be the response when you post something that provocative"? You could have asked exactly the same question of Crown Royal. Maybe some self-reflection on your part is appropriate: why didn't you? Why not apply that same reasoning to the guy coming in and calling people explicitly, or tacitly, racist?
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Because indes had already effectively done that, in my opinion. How many posts calling out Crown would reasonably be enough, in your opinion? Because we're at how many now, exactly?
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Originally Posted by Crown Royal
Funny thing is WO calls Acey, a known black poster a racist, and there is little outcry. But a known black poster calls someone a racist and there is several pages about how I am ruining the thread.
People want to see the problem? Look at that.
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To be fair I could probably give you some tips that I've learned from having the "homophobia" conversation with people.
I think people would probably better understand if they had ever actually been in the shoes of someone who has to deal with hate and discrimination for who they are. Yes, when you call out what you feel is evidence of it or when you see it's influence in the views of others, it may not always come out well or polite, but it's rarely coming from a place of calm and measuredness to begin with. It's very difficult to see, and the expectation is that you must always be a perfect gentleman in educating someone else about what you feel is wrong with their position, even if it's a position that feels like an attack on your personally.
I think looking back you'll want to handle that moment differently. But I have been there, and it is the furthest thing from easy to experience, and the easiest thing in the world to criticise.
I see little bits of evidence of homophobia here even today. Most I have to consciously ignore, other (more apparent) ones I've called out as politely as possible. Because this is what happens when you don't. And sadly, most of it goes unchecked and unquestioned by everyone else unless it's, as Cecil said, something as extreme as "kill all ____."