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Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen
Are you saying "defender of racism" and "racist" are two distinct groups? I'd lump them together and I think that's a weird semantics argument to make. Or did you just miss the post where he did claim the Corsi was defending racism?
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Yeah, I took it as him accusing Corsi of defending racism in the sense of defending it's right to be heard, not defending the validity of the idea. So that's separate to me. If that isn't what Crown meant and he was accusing Corsi of defending racism as a concept or belief, then I'm wrong and I wouldn't think that's fair at all.
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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger
No Pepsi, I use judgement.
If we’re at a peaceful BLM rally and some jag off starts shouting “kill all ######s”, then CR can have at ‘er. That’s an easy interpretation for us all to make.
When we’re online, and no one can even see each other’s skin colour, and WO403 posts a controversial opinion but does not appear to say or even imply anything overtly racist, then you’re goddamn right I’m going to blame the guy who freaked out, regardless of the colour of his skin (which I can’t even see).
It’s a witch hunt. It’s an excuse to treat another person like #### because you are projecting an imaginary bogey man into their place.
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On one hand, you're basing this off a couple pages, right? This isn't the first post like this WO has made. This is a sum of all parts. I can see the frustration because there is a consistently dismissive tone to these discussions from him. "It's not racism, it's not evidence of systemic racism, this guy was a rapist, that guy was high" etc etc. It's the consistency. That said, just a few years ago WO made some islamophobic comments, and he's recently had a turnaround on that position, so I have to give credit. I think he has a more open mind than people give credit for. And having apologised to WO myself, I don't think he's a bad guy, I don't think he's a racist. Maybe there's just a level of ignorance there about the issues. But I can see why someone feels the way they do about his posts sometimes. It's hard to judge intent, and I suppose if you've been subjected to racism throughout your life, you probably recognize traits in things other don't.
You're saying you use judgement, so do I, but you're also saying "this most obvious example is fair and an acceptable time to use the word racist." Who says Crown isn't using the same judgement you or I use and life experience doesn't make the interpretation come out different?
I agree this is about more than calling someone racist. But I don't see a lot of effort in parting out the issues and dealing with them reasonably. Most people seem to be taking an all or nothing approach, and how is that better or more helpful?