[Looger]

if unions take credit for all the gains made, then they take credit for breaking truckers' kneecaps who complained aboot theft through unions, they take credit for the large amount of organized crime which owes its existence to them, for the hateful incitements to ugly behaviour, etc.

unions were for a time a vehicle by which invoilved workers affected change, and like all things the power inherent in the situation corrupted the purpose and now we have bloated organizations that will destroy the ability for a company to make money and thereby remove ALL the jobs AND the pay for a given job - a great example is the projectionist union in BC - 38 bucks an hour for what used to be an involved job, now replaced by pimply kids making 9. bravo.

if the people were involved unions would be a great idea, sadly workers by and large aren't involved and thus a super-powerful elitist status has crept in by which the leadership can lie, cheat, and steal so long as they are screwing the company.

every time a salary demand is made that steps out of the bounds of a profitable enterprise, those rich fat cat owners are not the losers - when the doors close it is the workers that pay, while the owners simply put money in real estate etc. where they can actually make money.

let business be profitable or it will not exist at all - that is what has been lost since the rise in power of unions.