[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by New Era

No, it's my response to someone who clearly has no understanding of the subject matter but makes the outlandish claim of "I know a tremendous amount about it."

Yes, those people who have dedicated decades to learning about the issues, researching the subject matter, have repeated their experiments with consistent and reliable results - all of which have been peer reviewed, don't know what they are talking about. But you "know a tremendous amount about it" and can clearly state that these experts don't know what they are talking about and you have the answers. That is the Dunning-Kruger effect in action.

You don't know anything about me, yet that hasn't stopped you from making assumptions about me.

The fact is that I have seen, heard, and been through a whole bunch of things that have informed me on the topic. I've spoken to people in the know, and they largely agree with my assessment, which is that clinical depression is wildly overdiagnosed, and the vast majority of people who've been diagnosed actually don't have anything wrong with them.

Most of the people in the psychiatry and psychology professions get their marching orders from the top, from the DSM, which is controlled by a tight-knit group of people. Never underestimate ulterior motives that these people might have. Think about it, what if you had the power to label anyone crazy that you wanted to silence. You could label anyone who passionately disagrees with your political views as mentally ill.

You have proposed UBI which does nothing to address the stated problem.

UBI is the solution to when the human labour requirement of creating goods is so low that large quantities of human labour are no longer required to create surplus so you need to disincentivize work and provide a means of living for those who don’t have access to jobs. This does not exist today. Until this scenario begins to exist we are much better focusing elsewhere.

UBI is not the solution to Over-Consumption. It does nothing to address over consumption. It merely transfers the consumption from one group to another. UBI is not a solution to greed
UBI is not a solution to homelessness
UBI is not a solution to mental health
UBI is not a solution to addictions
UBI is not a solution to global warming

UBI might be a solution to poverty in some scenarios but targeted programs are likely to be more efficient.

You are underpants gnoming UBI to this massive change in the human condition.

Disagree on all of these assertions.

There's no "massive change" being sought after here. Just an unlocking of a piece of human nature that already exists. Have you seen the film The Day The Earth Stood Still... it gets the point across rather well.

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

we are at our heart immensely competitive. violent for most of our history cannibal peer ranked apes, we will absolutely look to eff' each other over in any system, again you need to realize the system we live in is wholly a reflection of us, the system didnt create itself, we created it, and we have had many many chances to create something different, every revolution, every commune or weird church group that goes off to live in the boonies could become a paradise on earth with no greed or cruelty and they all become #### shows of greed, power trips and sexual abuse.

Does this prove that we're ultra competitive by nature? Or does it prove that a small percentage of people are complete psychos and are very good at conning and manipulating the rest of us? Perhaps the system is largely a reflection of those people, not of the population as a whole.