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Old 09-15-2020, 03:57 PM   #253
Mathgod
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This mostly comes across as a bunch of gaslighting and condescension (and yes, more strawmen and ad hominem attempts).

Simple math shows that 20k/year is enough for a person to scrape by and access the bare minimum necessities. I'm not going to be gaslit into thinking otherwise.

The idea that UBI should be higher than 20k/year, is certainly worth considering. However, your overall case against UBI is mostly based on misconceptions and preconceived bias. You seem to have this idea that only certain people should be treated with decency and compassion, and not others. You're never going to end up with a well-functioning society that way. Callousness only begets more callousness.

You complain about people who vote for Donald Trump. Well you know what gives birth to the Trumpian mindset? It's the concept of "no one ever gave a damn about me, so why should I give a damn about others?" You can't combat this mindset by only looking out for those who are in the worst situations. You have to send a clear message to everyone that every person matters.

Since you've swung the doors open on ad hominems, now it's my turn... you may have more years of experience in certain areas than I, but never underestimate the biases and damage that creep in as a person suffers more emotional/psychological trauma as the years go on. There's a reason why candidates like Sanders and Yang polled well among young people and poorly among older people, it's because people tend to become more callous and ruthless as they get older.

Here's the other thing... it seems like we've always sat back and let the "old wise" folk call the shots in our society. For the most part, we've generally trusted them to make the best decisions because of their (purported) vast experience, wisdom, and knowledge. I don't know about you, but from my perspective the world is a complete disaster right now. Look at climate change, pollution in general, never ending wars, poverty (both here and abroad), organized crime, rampant wealth disparity, systemic racism, opioid epidemic, dictatorial regimes, and other problems. This is the result of hundreds of years of letting the all-knowing experts make the big decisions. Maybe it's time to move away from the notion that the old & experienced always know best? Maybe it's time to let younger voices into the conversation and take their input seriously to heart?
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