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Originally Posted by afc wimbledon
My issue with vets in the police, even prison guards is not based on their politics so much as just how diametrically opposed the skill set of a soldier is to the skill set of a cop, soldiers are essentially taught to operate unthinkingly as part of a team that meets an objective by the use of escalating force as quickly as possible with almost no regard to the process, a good policeman needs to be very independent and flexible and able to reassess and adjust to a situation rapidly, while a policeman has to meet an objective how he gets to the objective is as important as the objective itself.
Police training in the US is completely dominated by a military perspective as well, it all becomes a feedback loop of increasing violence and inflexibility, most of the shootings we are talking about here are because a civilian didn't do as they were told, now I dont doubt there have been occcasions where the person that got shot for not obeying an order was a bad guy who would have done something bad if they hadnt been shot, but that doesn't make the decision making process in any way ok, for every one guy that was stopped from doing something heinous there are a hundred who wouldn't and are still dead
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The prison system is broken simply due to the fact that it is for profit. Change that and a lot of things get better.
But when you have for profit prison companies lobbying the government on crime reform, what do we think will happen?
This is a cycle that has continued for many years due to the rotation in and out of government by the two parties, both of which give a ##### about stuff like this.
Bill Clinton was part of this too. But these days everyone thinks ol' Bill is woke, and helping change the system!
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The 1994 federal crime bill that created tough new criminal sentences and incentivized states to build more prisons and pass truth-in-sentencing laws is getting new scrutiny during this 2020 election cycle.
It’s true that the federal government has limited jurisdiction over mass incarceration and that incarceration rates were already high by 1994. But it’s also true that following passage of the federal crime bill, incarceration rates continued to climb for an additional 14 years.
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https://www.aclu.org/blog/smart-just...eration-crisis
As for police training, Jocko made a good point about this on a podcast he did. Cops get minimal training before they're sent into the field. Once they're in the field they don't get the ability to go back and improve on their training, nor do they get time off.
Why is that important? First of all limited training means there isn't enough time to actually weed out the crazies. I.E. 6+ months of SEAL training is designed to not only train the candidates, but also figure out which candidates can handle the stress. Second of all, limited training means limited training. When cops are sent out on patrol they are hardly ready to deal with most of the stuff they face. On top of that they can't actually go back and get more training on certain things like the military does, nor is it required. And lastly, because they don't get time off, those cops that deal with more stressful situations are even more likely to run into issues, and often deal with high levels of mental stress.
The shift has been towards more training, equipment and resources for SWAT type cops, and less of everything for the normal beat cop. And time after time the normal beat cop is the one that creates most of the issues.
One other thing that Jocko mentioned was a complete lack of de-escalation training. Zero.
Crazy if you think about it.