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Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen
I could make minimum wage working at a job with a lot less stress and responsibility. I don't though because I'm in a very small subset of people who like more money....
The idea that someone getting the absolute bare minimum, not even enough to support a family, would simply quit working is based on fear rhetoric and not reality. You're just perpetuating the offensive stereotype that poor people are lazy.
And then you double down on it by saying it will just cause inflation...and if that's the case, then the $1800 isn't even close to enough forcing someone to go back and clean toilets. Putting us back where we started, so worst case seems to be status quo.
Someone working full-time should be able to support themselves if not their family. And even in Alberta with our $15 minimum wage that's not the case where the poverty line is $17 in Calgary. And when you can't pay for diapers for your kid, you're not able to afford classes or training opportunities, of course you'll continue to make minimum wage and never be able to get out of poverty. Yet we still expect people to somehow pull themselves up by their bootstraps knowing they ripped a part a long time ago. UBI should be enough to close that gap, help end the cycle of poverty.
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What are you providing? Basic unemployment benifits or an actual UBI? My understanding was that UBI was enough to support yourself.
The reality is that most basic jobs would be barely above a UBI. I'm not perpetuating any stereotypes at all. The problem is you have no concept of what these jobs are actually like. Have you ever worked one? Do you have any idea how soul crushing these menial labour jobs are.
You're also ignoring black market and under the table work.
Once again if the choice if $2.5k/month cleaning toilets or $1800/month at home, it's at home for 99% of people. Especially when you can earn some money on the side doing odd jobs here and there. The truly "hard working" poor you speak of would take the $1,800/month and then start doing cash jobs on the side. You're correct many working poor do hustle. Just not always within the rules.
At the end of the day UBI falls apart for the same reason all socialist systems do, they rely on the honesty of the entire population. They rely on people working to the best of their ability without personal incentive do so.