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Wrong. It IS a policy position... just like slavery abolition was a policy position 300 years ago, even though it didn't have much support at the time.
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No, its not. One person, with no backing from a political party, does not make something a policy position. For something to be a policy position it needs political support. It needs funding support. It needs regulatory and legal support. UBI has none of the above. UBI is an idea, and a half baked idea at that. There is no support for UBI and the American voter will not back the concept, and the power brokers in Washington will not get behind the idea either. UBI is dead on arrival. No party in the United States of America is willing to align itself with UBI, nor the mechanisms that would make such a policy possible. As a result, it is NOT a policy position. No more than the policy of establishing a permanent settlement on Mars.
You really think that voter support means anything? 70% of voters want Medicare for All (universal healthcare) but neither party is willing to rally around that majority and establish a policy position to support such a desire. Neither party is willing to codify anything close to that in a policy position as it would be dragged out and used as a weapon during elections.
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Says anyone who is paying attention and doesn't have a preconceived bias against UBI.
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Really? Whose talking about it? Who is adding that to their party platform and policy stack? Neither Democrats or Republicans are talking about UBI. None of the marginal parties are either. UBI is a non starter for all the reasons I mentioned in the other thread.
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Based on the way you've been talking, it seems like you have more in common with Trump than you realize...
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No, I just know my fellow Americans and what their tolerance is for certain ideas. Promoting the nanny state that is so derided in this country is a political death sentence. Promoting socialism is pretty much a non-starter for American voters, PERIOD.
https://spectator.us/ubi-actually-work-america/
You have to understand the American mindset. It is why there is 41% of the electorate that are standing behind Trump regardless of what he does. American politics is not about rationality or pragmatism, is is about emotion and tradition. Ronald Reagan killed socialism in the 80s. It isn't making a comeback anytime soon
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My point was that sometimes a traditional voter for one party may decide to vote for the other (or for a 3rd party) in a particular election for reasons that fall outside of conventional thinking.
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There's your problem. You think elections in the United States are about thinking. They aren't. They are about emotion, and that gave us Donald Trump.
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2016 was a prime example of that, where many 2-time Obama voters ended up voting for Trump, 3rd party, or not voting at all. For the record, I believe that those who didn't vote for Clinton made a big mistake, and I hope that as many people as possible vote for Joe Biden this time around.
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Yes, they made a massive mistake and we (Americans) have had to suffer for four years because of it. Those voters did it because they were whiny little bitches that didn't get their way in the primaries and this was their way of showing the DNC who was boss. And thanks to those whiny little bitches we all got stuck with Cheeto Mussolini.
And I will repeat what I said in the other thread. It's wonderful saying that a third party would make a difference, except that is not how the system is set up in the United States, at every level. It is a binary system where the introduction of any other party acts as nothing but a drain off one of the two major parties. Unfortunately you have run as a Democrat or a Republican to have a serious chance of being elected to congress, and if you want to be a serious presidential candidate, you have to be from one of those two parties. In the United States everything is binary (left/right, conservative/liberal, right/wrong, black/white, etc.) and that is the way the electorate likes it. Get used to that concept because it ain't changing any time soon.