[CaptainCrunch]

I'm not coming down on JB here, but at the same time I think that we need to seperate a couple of things here.


It wasn't as much about Race as it was about the whole trilogy being badly written and executed after TFA. Rian did a massive disservice to the trilogy, and really so did JJ and so did Disney. There's also a sense on my part that they outright panicked over the lashback from the Star Wars fan base and they did the absolute wrong thing in that they tried to win them back with a terrible example of blatent Fan Servicing by bringing Palpatine back, and then focusing really on two main characters in Rey and Kylo and everything got pushed off to the side.


The Rose storyline was the Jar Jar Binks of the ST, the Story line that was suppossed to be a big storyline and make her a sympathetic character and a romance character for Finn was terrible and flat and it was almost like Rian was yelling from the roof "You have to like her because of bad situations". It didn't work. Then they really got the jitters and when the fans said they hated her (which by the way, what the fans did to her was awful). They pulled a full Jar Jar and she virtually vanished in the last movie and worse yet, they had Finn pretty much ghost her.


Finn could have had a great character arc, a defecting Storm Trooper, its an interesting story, but they really murdered it in TLJ, when he basically became a combination of a character piece, a running stereotype, and he didn't really do anything with him, and again in the last movie he was a cardboard cutout.


Poe was really suppossed to die at the end of the first movie, instead Rian made him a comedy character with that stupid open in TLJ, and the whole redemption arc and becoming a leader arc, and then paying it lip service in the third movie.


I guess what I'm saying is it isn't a race issue for me, as a blindingly stupid writing effort, and a second movie that murdered it, and a third movie where they were like how do we fix it to get fans to want to see it. Palpatine.


Thanks to Rian, and Disney panicking, this thing was the Snakes on a Plane of Star Wars.


From a standpoint of proof


Killed off Snoke for no other reason then he was a read shirt, and that left them without a primary big bad in the third if the true story arc was always the redemption of Ren


Maz and the whole lightsabre thing, and then they completely dropped it and she because a background character in the next movies


One of the worst things was the treatment of Hux. They went from a egotistical power hungry but some what competant evil leader, to a buffoon who they basically in the last movie revealed that he was a spy and then disposed of him.


Phasma was an outright joke, and the handling of her was terrible, is anyone ever going to look at her as an example of breaking the glass ceiling and buy her action figure? Nah, instead she's a bumbling coward that died like a punk.


Palpatine went from this really interesting and devious character to a monster of the week, saying dumb things, and he died in the lamest way possible.



Its incredible the amount of damage that TLJ did to the trilogy, and how panic made the third movie underwhelming.


With the OT - Great ensemble cast where everyone had something to do, and a great story that was logical and had a satisfying ending.


With the PT - Realistically a really good story line, but it was poorly executed, it should have been a four movie series. There are a lot of things that I would want to change, but I didn't hate the PT.


ST - Rian wrecked it, but this is on Disney and the show runners who should have seen the script and went, this is horrible and your giving us nothing to work with in the last movie, and you've disconnected a bunch of story lines, and added story lines that made little sense in the scheme of things. So now we're f'd, Star Wars fans are pissed, and oh yeah, the main villain was killed like a Red Shirt, so Fan Service, we might as well kick sand on Palpatine as well.


I get what JB is saying, and to an extend I agree with it, but bigger picture is a lot deeper, all the characters were wrecked.