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Originally Posted by powderjunkie
I'm no fan of JVR, but I'm not sure his contract is the disaster many profess. It more/less market value for a goal scorer like him. I'll acknowledge that GMs have been overvaluing this type of player for the entirety of the cap era...but they keep doing the same thing over and over.
Compared to his previous 3 seasons, JVR's gpg (29g, 36g, and 27g/66gp) gpg was down by 28% and ppg down 15% this season.
Same criteria, JG gpg is down 23% and ppg down 45%.
I don't think you can say JVR has fallen off that much of a cliff and is now a negative value asset. Considering the remaining real money due is slightly less than his AAV, I think he is still a neutral/marginally positive asset to the right team. Similar deal with Voracek (though I think he's actually worth more despite the extra term and AAV).
I don't see the case for Philly to do a trade that doesn't involve one of their protected slot forwards serving as the bulk of the return. They want JVR and Voracek to stand out as the most appealing option for Seattle.
Can you elaborate on why you believe this? There are a lot of ticking time clocks working against getting great value for Gaudreau.
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For sure I can. Essentially there are a lot imaginary deadlines, but nothing concrete. The Flames don't need to trade Gaudreau, and in fact I think it's likely that they don't. Treliving is more than comfortable keeping him and trying to build around him next season and possibly the following season.
Gaudreau is a player that out performs his contract and still has 2 more years on his deal. That is extremely valuable in a league where the cap is staying flat. There isn't a need to trade Gaudreau this offseason so if a team really wants him- they can pay up. Treliving doesn't need to take back a garbage contract or accept a less than stellar return.
The NTC issue is overblown too. Realistically everybody knows Johnny is either going to end up long term in Calgary or one of the east coast teams. Teams that will be willing to put together a significant package for him will have an understanding if they can sign him or not and I'm sure his NTC won't exclude east coast teams.
Realistically there are four different times you can trade him. This offseason, 2021 deadline, 2021 offseason, or 2022 deadline. Who's to say Johnny wouldn't be willing to waive his NTC to go to any team for a playoff run and then go to free agency? Even in that worst case scenario the Flames probably make out with a 1st and prospect (plus 1.5 seasons of Gaudreau vs trading him this offseason) at a minimum. Is that return really all that worse than what's being proposed in this thread?
Erik Karlsson was traded as a pending UFA and brought back Tierny, Demelo, Norris (1st round pick), Balcers (5th round pick), a 1st round pick, and a 2nd round pick. I don't know if Johnny will pull quite that much as a UFA, but bottom line Treliving isn't in a position where he needs to force a trade in fear of losing out on value.