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Originally Posted by BoLevi

We would really need to dig into the data. The "box" as you say is not an algorithm with clear formulas. Different ethnic groups within the black community have significantly different outcomes. Different white communities have different outcomes, which are also clearly delineated. Why do Russian-Americans earn vastly more than Yugoslavian Americans?
Neither of these outcomes is clearly explained by race. The average income of a two parent black families isn't that far off of white two parent families for about 25 years now. Average incomes (mean and median) are greatly skewed by single mother families. Median incomes in the south are lower than median incomes in the northern states - and the south has a larger population of blacks, skewing in the national average.

Hughes (in the article linked above) highlighted an interesting outcome of the disparity fallacy:

"The disparity fallacy holds that unequal outcomes between two groups must be caused primarily by discrimination, whether overt or systemic. What’s puzzling about believers in the disparity fallacy is not that they apply the belief too broadly, but that they apply it too narrowly. Any instance of whites outperforming blacks is adduced as evidence of discrimination. But when a disparity runs the other way—that is, blacks outperforming whites—discrimination is never invoked as a causal factor."

Racism exists, absolutely. However. The argument for systemic racism being the driving force behind the disparity between blacks and white is a facile argument that is simply a classic example of confusing correlation with causation.

The truly insidious result of the systemic racism argument is that it removes agency. It implies that outside factors are more important than intrinsic factors when it comes to success. If you convince someone that they will be the victim of oppression and racism, it will be demotivating. I believe that this is why the messages of Obama, McWhorter, Hughes, Sowell, Elder, and Loury are the most hopeful ones.

so you believe Blacks and hispanics are just to stupid to do well, that its their fault.