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Old 08-31-2020, 07:29 PM   #2992
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Both of these arguments for contemporary institutional racism are based on outcomes. History is obviously replete with examples of institutional racism. But I would be interested in some specific examples of an institution with explicitly racist policies (which target POC) right now. The closest we probably have are things like drug laws related to school proximity, etc. Those disproportionately impact black communities, and I would support them being modified or eliminated as appropriate. I'm open to a discussion about whether these were, or are currently, just simply suffering from the law of unintended consequences.

Simply relying on outcomes like wealth gap, number of people shot/killed by police, education, etc, would be a superficial analysis. I'm sure @CorsiHockeyLeague would caution against using such data in a way that would resemble goal-seeking. I certainly agree that they exist, although I am not a fellow traveler with BLM or most in this thread about the cause being as simple as system racism. This is what Coleman Hughes calls the "disparity fallacy". (https://quillette.com/2018/05/14/the-racism-treadmill/)

There is a robust debate, if people choose to listen, about whether the different outcomes are a result of conscious or subconscious oppressive white racism, or cultural aspects that are limiting within the black community. Glenn Loury speaks to it being a "problematic pattern." (https://media4.manhattan-institute.o.../R-0519-GL.pdf). Barrack Obama takes a more direct approach saying that the notion of "acting white has to go". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7jepUNPBog Poor Barack took some heat for that one, and still does.

Some would say that well intentioned Democrat policies related to the war on poverty were ultimately failures and counter-productive due unintended consequences. John McWhorter is a good example https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...-great-society

I am not certain of the exact mix that is causing black people in the US to suffer from unequal outcomes. I think it is our mission to cure that situation - but it's complex.

My point is that systemic racism has gone from being a claim that requires validation to being an unassailable first principle.
if Black or hispanic people in the US are paid less, are given a worse education, shot more often by the police, have a worse life expectancy worse access to health or post secondry education worse access to housing that is 'systemic racism' it matters not why, nothing would make that 'not systemic racism' as the system, for what ever reason is treating blacks and hispanics worse than white people, that is the literal definition of systemic racism.
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