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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
I think a couple of things are interesting here.
You see a video, say they're behaving as fascists do. Fair enough. Someone posts videos of a White shooter and of a Black man getting shot in the back, you talk about "the internet mob" and "not having enough details" and that "the problem is, you came to a conclusion at all." It's interesting you're hesitant to come to any conclusions about a video where someone shoots three people or where an officer shoots someone in the back seven times, but have no problem coming to conclusion that these people look like fascists. Coincidence, I guess.
You dismiss or trivialize systemic racism, saying "Do I believe racism in law enforcement is the best explanation for this data? No, I don't" and "We simply can't extrapolate anything based on a small sample size" which, again, is fair enough. But then use a small sample size, a video here or there, to provide evidence of the left's (and not just the far left's) authoritarian goals, or that 'Bernie Bros' are throwing their support behind left wing authoritarian ideologues, or to paint the left, BLM, or whomever else you don't like as fascists, or authoritarians, or Marxists, or whatever.
So, your standard for labelling the left as authoritarians that support left wing ideologues and have authoritarian goals and sometimes, "look like fascists" because that's how fascists act, is remarkably low. You have no problem looking at a group of people yelling at someone and saying "they look like fascists" and then going on a little rant about the authoritarian left. Cool.
But then videos of White shooters and Black victims? Can't make a conclusion, the internet mob at work. System racism? Don't believe so, can't make such a grand claim without bigger sample sizes.
Just interesting is all.
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This is an excellent post, and I think it furthers the discussion. So thank you for that.
I think the difference is that I'm not sure what the motivations are of the cops that shot Jacob Blake. I can see the motivations for the leftist mobs because they tell us. I'm using the common and regularly stated ideologies of the left and using the video of the mob as an example.
People are taking the Jacob Blake shooting (or the George Floyd killing), assuming the causality (race) and extrapolating that causality to the police as a whole and then further extrapolating that causality to society at large (ie systemic racism). I don't think such extrapolations are compelling evidence.