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Old 08-27-2020, 09:57 AM   #4644
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Of course you are, we’re people having a conversation and in many cases there are dozens of not hundreds of posts to go on. People could fairly and correctly make judgements on any number of things about me, for example, based on my posts. And if they’re wrong, I happily correct them and explain myself. It happens literally all the time.
People don't accuse you of being any type of monster, and if they did, they'd be wrong. That's sort of Cliff's point with the pedophile thing. There's a difference here. If someone is branded as a racist, that's... pretty much it for them. No one has to take them seriously on any topic. They're a pariah. It's one of the worst things you can be. You're unemployable, people don't want to be seen as interacting with you, and so forth. "Racist" is a horrible thing to be accused of being. Which is why it's so effective a rhetorical weapon to use against one's ideological opponents. It's like a cheat code.
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You want to wait until someone says “kill all Black people, Whites are the superior race” before feeling comfortable using the term ‘racism’? Be my guest. But not everyone needs that level of bluntness to understand a position.
No, I want to wait until they've said something racist. Even then, the benefit of the doubt is often warranted - for example, using the term "thug" to describe a black man - pointing out the connotations and historical uses of the word is a reasonable response. When we had that discussion in this thread, there were a number of people who had simply missed the memo on the whole "thug" thing, and accusing those people of being racist would have been completely unfair. Now they know, because the response was to explain the context, not simply lob accusations.

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You seem to think calling everything you don’t like “tribalism” is perfectly fine. So I guess you’re only worried about people calling out racism, for some reason, and not low level personal attacks, because those two are the same thing. They’re simply describing a way of thinking and actions that result in it.
First of all, no they're not. Successfully branding someone as a tribal ideologue does not result in them being a social pariah. Second, feel free to try to find the last time I used the word "tribalism", and what it was aimed at. No, I do not use that in anywhere near every disagreement I have on this board. I almost never do. This reads as a rather desperate "no, you!" attempt.
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