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Originally Posted by dobbles
lets all just be honest here.... there is nothing wrong with criticizing Biden. But this is kind of rube's shtick to pick at superfluous things and make them into big deals.
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How its mental faculties of a prospective presidential candidate superfluous? How many hundreds of posts in this thread have been dedicated to Trump's mental faculties?
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I think the thing people like rube need to remember when blaming centrists for not advancing the agenda of the left is that centrists are in the middle where things get done. The prime example is Obamacare. It ended up being a watered down compromise and republicans have still spent a decade tearing it apart as much as they can. So progressives and Bernie can have all the plans they want. But they aren't going anywhere. So quit taking your frustration out on people like Biden.
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Except the problem is that many of these compromises water down the initial premise to the point where it's ineffective and thus damages the legitimacy of the original policy.
There was also no reason that Obama had to compromise (he had control of the house and senate at the time) and I suspect the reason he did had as much to do with the insurance lobby as it did with trying to compromise with Republicans.
Was it a good compromise to bail out the banks and do absolutely nothing to the bankers who were responsible causing the financial meltdown? Or to illegally drone the #### out of people? Or to begin the process of putting kids in cages? How about voting in favour of the Iraq war? Minimum sentencing for drug charges that disproportionately affected black people? The Patriot Act?
If so, then progressives have every right to be frustrated with a guy who, as a centrist, has been in lockstep with some of the more fascist/authoritarian elements of the right for decades.