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Old 07-29-2020, 11:39 AM   #1615
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Letting the ends justify the means is how we ended up with Trump.

It's not as if I'm saying "Biden did this, therefore vote for Trump." My point is "Biden did this, it's concerning, and he should be held accountable for it if/when he wins...but also he's the best option at this point."
And so is letting perfect be the enemy of good. It's how we ended up with Trump and, locally, Kenney. You know what else would have happened if more people on the left or center, politically, let the ends justify the means? Hillary would have won, and we would have avoided Trump altogether. But people wanted perfect, so they turned their back on "better."

Personally, I think it's just ideological and selfish, and not the way you move society forward. Society moves forward in baby steps, and sometimes it means we almost must move backward a step to avoid tripping on our own feet and falling down altogether. That's what happened. Too many people couldn't get their head out of their ass about Hillary. Too many people on the left wanted her to be held accountable, which is fine in theory or in a vacuum, but that momentum grew, and it cost her the election for no good reason. The right wasn't playing the same game, they didn't give a #### about Trump. You have to play the same game if you want better outcomes.

Maybe I'm disillusioned. I want real progressives. I, quite frankly not giving a #### what the conservative or "classical liberal" crowd thinks, want modern socialism. I'm envious of the countries where that system works. But as someone who's identity and rights are often the source of political debate and policies, I'm also very used to losing or having a loud group of people fight against every win, like my just being seen as the same as everyone else is an affront to their existance as human beings.

I think having actual skin in the game and being a minority, whether based on your race, gender, sexuality, whatever, you start to get used to losing and appreciating what progress actual looks like. So, yeah, I think there's a lot to criticise Biden and the Democrats for etc etc. But I also know that now isn't the time, because Republicans aren't going to play that game, and with every meaningless thing you hold Biden accountable for today, you risk giving away the fragile momentum that he has, and you risk losing out on better.

There's ~90 days left. It's time to swallow pride and play the game, and get to better. There will be four years of accountability after that. Biting your tongue for 90 days isn't going to change that.

My two cents anyway. Apologies for the personal rant.
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