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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
That's not lots of info. It's a sentence from a twitter video. Yet you seem absolutely certain about your judgments about what led these people to do this. That doesn't make any sense to me. I mean, there's plenty of evidence that they're doing a ####ty thing, there's just basically none about why they're doing it or who they are as people.
Look, it's not worth having a big debate over, I just find it very odd how sure everyone is that two specific individuals they've never met are a total lost cause and couldn't possibly be reasoned with, despite plenty of evidence that even people with very extreme viewpoints can be brought around. The level of immediate certainty people can justify is surprising to me.
EDIT: I guess surprising is the wrong word there. More like jarring enough I thought it was worthy of mention.
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There are so many people with ####ed up ideas these days that it's more of an act of triage. I only have so much energy to engage with others and reason with them, and I wouldn't bother wasting my valuable time on these two. There are others who are more moderate that I can reason with, and I will take the time to do so. I have done so on many occasions, with many of my neighbors for example. I have a buddy down the street that loved Trump at the start of his presidency and didn't understand why I was so down on him. Now, he thinks he's an absolute fool and can't wait to be rid of him. That is in large part to the conversations we would have. We would find places where we already agree and go from there, often still butting heads over things, but understanding the other person's position. However, I continued the dialogue because it wasn't a complete waste of energy, and now that guy is voting for Biden in the fall.
I don't know what I would possibly have in common with those two in order to even start a conversation, so no, there's no place for a meaningful dialogue, nor is there opportunity to reason with them. You can't reason with people who are operating in a different concept of reality consisting of conspiracy theories and extremism.
So yeah, they're a lost cause. I'm surprised you think they can be saved.