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Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Just to touch on this part, I think that the number of different stories and characters is partially what added to the lack of depth for me. You aren't really given a big opportunity to dive into any of these stories or these people, they're just people with their own problems mentioned as almost an aside, but you don't really get into them as characters and what it means. It seems like quantity over quality, and the characters feel underdeveloped.

I also didn't buy the Ellie/Dina relationship, personally. The dialogue between them didn't feel natural and their relationship on an emotional level felt juvenile, but using language that was overtly mature. It was a weird juxtaposition.

Regarding the SJW stuff, yeah, I agree and don't really buy that at all. I don't know why some clowns are making it out as an issue, I didn't feel they were trying to push any social agenda, and quite frankly I find it extremely insulting when people label any story with gay characters as pushing a social agenda, as though our stories aren't relevant to the world. It's gross and dumb.

And all that said, I appreciate that the game is at least worthy of discussion, and that a few of us can actually talk about it from entirely different perspectives without any of us being necessarily wrong.

I'll spoil my response here just to be safe:

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I can totally understand some of the relationships and stories not feeling fleshed out for some players, but I personally didn't have those issues. I though Abby story especially was great. Her revenge parallels with Ellie, her relationship with her father and what that turned her into (she is so muscular because she's literally been preparing to go after Joel since she was a kid), her transformation within the Lev's story, her relationship with Owen, etc.

With that being said, I do wish I would have gotten a bit more from Lev and Manny- he was a particular favourite of mine. I do think the multiple characters and relationships really does showcase what The Last of Us universe is all about. There is no good guys and bad guys, everything is a weird shade of grey and this apocalypse has turned people into something else.

I disagree entirely on the Dina and Ellie relationship- I thought that might have been some of the strongest writing in the game the way they go back and forth, but again all subjective. It does make for good discussion.