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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
I think based on your post generally, I enjoyed it more than you did, because I was able to immerse myself in the gameplay more than it sounds like you did. I also did care, to some extent, about a few of the characters. Just nowhere near as much as TLOU1 made me care about Joel and Ellie.
But on the quoted, yes. Yes, a thousand times yes. I am fine with Naughty Dog telling the story they wanted to tell. But in this case, the story they wanted to tell was told poorly. I'm not even aware of what plot holes bax was referring to. The central issue wasn't logic, it was structural. The whole thing is structurally disjointed and badly paced, especially in the second half. It just didn't work.
I have to think that if TLOU2 were a released as a movie, this would be the main complaint of professional critics. Having a good story to tell, or a good point to make, is only half the battle. If you tell it poorly, or can't communicate it effectively, it really doesn't matter what you're trying to say.
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Fair complaints, but even then I would argue this is all subjective. I though it was brilliant how the game effectively asks you to put away your biases and view the larger story from more than one perspective. It challenges the player in ways that not many games do and I loved the duality and dichotomy of the stories. Going back to the first game I love the ambiguity of who is 'good' and 'bad' in a classic sense. You could argue that Joel is the bad guy of the first game- in fact after replaying it you notice it hints at that quite a bit.
To me the first game is a very simple tale and this one is much more complex. It definitely could be paced differently in some sections while achieving the same message, but i would much rather have a developer like Naughty Dog try something new and innovative even if it doesn't stick the landing completely opposed telling a story that we have seen before that is more predictable or safe.