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Originally Posted by New Era
Salary cap says otherwise. You have to look at the other needs of teams as well. You just can't arbitrarily throw out players and draft picks you want and think the team is going to cough them up. There has to be benefit for the other team as well. A big part of that is having the traded contracts balance out. Teams that don't spend to the cap do so because of an internal budget. Those teams are unlikely to spend beyond that number even if they are getting a star player for magic beans. They have to ship out dollars as well.
I don't think Treliving goes near that. The best guaranteed asset the Flames back is a third line center. They would then be taking back two future players. Love Smith's numbers, but is an undersized offensive defenseman what the Flames need? Is another lottery ticket? Do they want to wait the two to three years for both players to develop? I don't think so and that makes the deal worse. A deal for players that aren't ready to play right now is pressing pause and wasting the great contracts they have in Lindholm, Monahan, Tkachuk, and Hanafin.
That is a good point. The expansion draft is a concern, but the Flames have the slots to protect Myers so long as they don't do something silly and play Valimaki this year.
Don't agree here. Frost has sky rocketed as a prospect. He has way more potential and actually showing it. This pass first center has first line talent. The only question is does he have the size to play at that level? I think he does. I love Zacha's size and style of play, but I see him as a third line center. A damn good one, but a third line center. In a couple years I believe Frost will be a player that teams will wonder why they didn't jump on him earlier in his draft year. There are already lots saying that.
Yes and no. It depends on the team's plan. If the plan is to try and be better next season, then the 7th doesn't help that. If you know you have to eat a salary similar to Gaudreau's to get the assets you want, then it is a good salary to eat because it also addresses the need up front. If the goal is to make the team better long term, then yes, that 7th over all pick is likely going to have greater value. Especially if there is a player in that range the Flames are in love with. The big thing with that pick is that it has to be a home run. It can't be another Sam Bennett. I'm not confident this team can go to the draft table and come away with that home run, which is why I hope they stay away from draft picks. The pro scouts appear to do a better job than the amateur scouts.
MAYBE being one year away from making the team. Then how long until that player can actually contribute? There's a difference between making the team and being the player the team needs him to be.
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Then we don’t deal with Philly and I looked at other teams like New Jersey and Buffalo as better trade partners because they have assets, needs and cap space to make the deal work. You make it sound like we have to trade him to Philly and therefore have to eat a bad contract. Simply not the case and the money in money out issue is why these deals don’t happen during the season. When the Flames traded for Dougie they sent zero cap to the Bruins and immediately picked up a player they paid $5.75M for.
I don’t know why you are so concerned about the 7th pick in the draft? It could bust or could be a top line player. I think chances are better they can find a future core piece.
I don’t see a protection slot available for Myers without losing Gio. You are fine losing Gio for nothing which I don’t think the organization would agree.
I just don’t know what you see in Frost. He is Dillion Dube to me which is a good young player but you have him centering our second line next year. Not a ppg in AHL, 7pts in 20 games in the NHL and drafted 3 years ago. I take my chances with the 7th pick over this guy every day.
No and no. Voracek means the team can’t sign Hall and having Voracek, Lucic, Backlund all on huge money deals hurts the teams ability to add to this group. It takes away the free asset in Taylor Hall who is the main reason I fee this team can move on from Johnny in the first place.