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Old 07-08-2020, 09:41 AM   #1073
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If the main return for Gaudreau is built around a pick outside the top three that is a huge failure. You will not get Taylor Hall to sign here if you're removing a top six player from a team that is need of another top six player or two. If the Flames deal Gaudreau they need to get back a top six talent that will play and contribute immediately. Otherwise this team takes yet another step backward. The focus on draft picks is crazy. They are total wild cards. Here's a list of the players selected at the draft slots being talked about. I'm going back from 2017 since most players take a couple years to show their potential to make the jump.

2017 - Lias Andersson (7), Owen Tippett (10), Nick Suzuki (13)
2016 - Clayton Keller, Tyson Jost, Jake Bean
2015 - Ivan Provorov, Mikko Rantanen, Jakub Zboril
2014 - Hayden Fleury, Nick Ritchie, Jakub Vrana
2013 - Darnell Nurse, Valeri Nichushkin, Josh Morrisey
2012 - Matt Dumba, Slater Koekkoek, Radek Faksa
2011 - Mark Scheifele, Jonas Brodin, Sven Baertschi
2010 - Jeff Skinner, Dylan McIlrath, Brandon Gormley
2009 - Nazim Kadri, Magnus Paajavi, Zack Kassian
2008 - Colin Wilson, Cody Hodgson, Colton Teubert
2007 - Jakub Voracek, Keaton Ellerby, Lars Eller
2006 - Kyle Okposo, Michael Frolik, Jiri Tlusty
2005 - Jack Skille, Luc Bourdon, Marek Zagrapan
2004 - Rostislav Olesz, Boris Valabik, Drew Stafford
2003 - Ryan Suter, Andrei Kostitsyn, Dustin Brown
2002 - Joffrey Lupul, Eric Nystrom, Alexander Semin
2001 - Mike Komisarek, Dan Blackburn, Ales Hemsky
2000 - Lars Jonsson, Mikhail Yakubov, Ron Hainsey

That is ugly. Not many stars on that list. A lot of guys were middling players, and a lot of names that didn't pan out. Risk with picks is crazy. I don't want to roll the dice when moving Gaudreau. I want players that are pretty well baked and you know what you are getting. If we don't get back a top flight player to contribute immediately, and some players on the verge with good potential, this has to be considered a failure. Dealing stars for draft picks is a clear indication of a rebuild. If we only get a handful of magic beans (picks) I would hope Treliving is shown the door.
That's right, dealing JG for picks is a huge risk no doubt. It can't be for just picks.

...and you bring up another good point too, if they deal him before the draft, then unless they've acquired Hall's rights and signed him already, then you'd be dealing Johnny before securing Hall which is another big risk (unless there is back channel tampering going on).
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