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Originally Posted by New Era
Please acknowledge the reality of the situation. You are not moving Gaudreau and NOT taking salary back. This is the reality of trades in the NHL. The salaries have to pretty much balance out. Going to Philly would be $10M in salary and coming back to Calgary would be $9.8M. That balances out makes it work for the bean counters.
I really want to know what gives anyone the impression that Voracek is slowing down and will be a risky proposition going forward? He is playing the same game and being just as effective as he has always been. He's proven to be durable and is a top player at his position. Why is he going to all of a sudden going to drop off a cliff? You have answer that question especially when many of you are suggesting the Flames waste an expansion protection slot in a 38 Mark Giordano, who I guess bathes in the fountain of youth every morning. Those two positions are not consistent in any way.
It is hilarious to watch the same people who dump all over one player (Frost) yet walk around with a boner over another similar player. (Cozens) You do understand that Frost and Cozens put up similar numbers (PPG) in their draft +1, Frost being more of a setup man and Cozens being more a finisher? Oh, but Frost doesn't have the upside because he wasn't drafted top 10 like Cozens, amiright? It is down right laughable to watch the theatrics of people trying to dump on a player they know nothing about. You only look at draft position, like that matters a whole helluva lot (right Sam Bennett), and think that makes one player better than another. What matters is what happens after you're drafted. Frost ripped up the OHL in back-to-back years after he was drafted (112 and 109 points), leading his team in scoring by 27 and then 32 points, the later while playing eight less games than his closest team mate. Then the silly refrain of "Frost didn't put up a PPG in the minors" comes up. Yeah, he didn't. He only put up 29 points in 41 games. But is anyone one aware that the leading scorer for Leigh Valley put up 30 points in 57 games played? The kid is a stud plain and simple. The Flames would be damn lucky to get a player of his caliber back in any trade.
The ignorance on Myers is also very frustrating. The kid actually has the potential to solidify our back end for years to come. If you can shake loose a big RD just coming into his own in this deal you do it and laugh your way to the bank. Myers has top four potential written all over him. Just scored 16 points in 50 games played and was a sparkling +17, second best on the Flyers behind Couturier. With Myers in the fold you then have a post-Giordano top four of Hanafin-Andersson and Valimaki-Myers. All currently under the age of 24. Again, fills a need a sets the team up for success.
The reality of moving Gaudreau is you're not going to be getting a player of similar stature. You're going to have to make a deal for parts that have some pimples and come with some risk. Just like the Dougie Hamilton deal. Hamilton was the best player in the deal, but the Flames got (at the time) the next best two players. This is what to expect with a trade of Gaudreau. The Flames have an opportunity to fill numerous gaps in a single deal. They should do it and not roll the dice on unknown quantities at the draft table. I would hope that the hill of beans we got for Iginla would drive that point home.
Oh, and for historical perspective, when the Flames dealt away Nieuwendyk they did a similar deal, taking on Corey Millen and an untouted player in Jarome Iginla, instead of the higher regarded Todd Harvey, who was drafted two picks earlier. The critics were very vocal about this "mistake" and how the Flames should have held out for the better prospect. Sometimes draft position doesn't mean a hill of beans.
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I'm a little more than half way there with you haha
Frost and Myers are excellent pieces for the future, and like I said in the post you quoted, I'm confident Voracek would still be a very useful player for at least a couple more seasons. It'd be nicer if you could get the Flyers to retain a little bit on his contract, even $750k so that his AAV drops to $7.5m and Gaudreau's AAV + the Voracek retention would also be $7.5m.
If the Flames do your proposed deal they also need to have Hall in the fold, and then they are in a cap nightmare situation.