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Originally Posted by Monahammer
Acquiring voracek is such a laughably ridiculous proposition. His contract makes it futile to consider and no way could we afford hall while icing a proper defense afterwards. If we're trading johnny we can't take back a longer, bigger contract from a 30+ player on the decline
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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
I picture Voracek at 35 and 36 years old making over 8 million and its a frightening thought.
I will say that I think he'd be solid for at least the next couple seasons though, which is a crucial couple of years for this core with Gio and Backlund et al. He's a hell of a set up man so Monahan would still be lighting the lamp 30+ times a year probably, and if you add Hall to that mix it'd be a really high end first line.
Frost would most likely have a nice transition to the NHL as well if Tkachuk and Lindholm were his wingers.
And there is a lot to like about Myers. I think in another year or two he will be untouchable if he isn't already. A damn shame the Flames didn't sign him when they had the chance.
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Originally Posted by Vinny01
Neither Frost or Myers has the upside of a player like Johnny and Voracek is a contract that will look uglier every year it is on the books.
Teams sure have success with a bunch of 31-37 year olds eating up 32% of the cap and that is what this deal does to the Flames. Voracek, Gio, Backlund and Lucic. This team hasn’t won anything but they are somehow locked into an aging core. But they got some average you g pieces back. Maybe Frost can make it on the second line some day? Could be he is only a 3rd liner. Pretty average numbers for a guy drafted 3 years ago already. Myers could be a second pairing guy but he now needs to be protected over the Captain which makes sense but now your trade has cost this team Gaudreau and Giordano without bringing back a single elite piece. This somehow sets the team up long term?
A top 10 pick in this coming draft immediately becomes a better asset than Frost. Not tying up $8.25M in Voracek allows them to take a run at Taylor Hall. Your deal prices them out immediately by adding significant cap.
It is like there is zero thought of the cap or expansion draft?
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Please acknowledge the reality of the situation. You are not moving Gaudreau and NOT taking salary back. This is the reality of trades in the NHL. The salaries have to pretty much balance out. Going to Philly would be $10M in salary and coming back to Calgary would be $9.8M. That balances out makes it work for the bean counters.
I really want to know what gives anyone the impression that Voracek is slowing down and will be a risky proposition going forward? He is playing the same game and being just as effective as he has always been. He's proven to be durable and is a top player at his position. Why is he going to all of a sudden going to drop off a cliff? You have answer that question especially when many of you are suggesting the Flames waste an expansion protection slot in a 38 Mark Giordano, who I guess bathes in the fountain of youth every morning. Those two positions are not consistent in any way.
It is hilarious to watch the same people who dump all over one player (Frost) yet walk around with a boner over another similar player. (Cozens) You do understand that Frost and Cozens put up similar numbers (PPG) in their draft +1, Frost being more of a setup man and Cozens being more a finisher? Oh, but Frost doesn't have the upside because he wasn't drafted top 10 like Cozens, amiright? It is down right laughable to watch the theatrics of people trying to dump on a player they know nothing about. You only look at draft position, like that matters a whole helluva lot (right Sam Bennett), and think that makes one player better than another. What matters is what happens after you're drafted. Frost ripped up the OHL in back-to-back years after he was drafted (112 and 109 points), leading his team in scoring by 27 and then 32 points, the later while playing eight less games than his closest team mate. Then the silly refrain of "Frost didn't put up a PPG in the minors" comes up. Yeah, he didn't. He only put up 29 points in 41 games. But is anyone one aware that the leading scorer for Leigh Valley put up 30 points in 57 games played? The kid is a stud plain and simple. The Flames would be damn lucky to get a player of his caliber back in any trade.
The ignorance on Myers is also very frustrating. The kid actually has the potential to solidify our back end for years to come. If you can shake loose a big RD just coming into his own in this deal you do it and laugh your way to the bank. Myers has top four potential written all over him. Just scored 16 points in 50 games played and was a sparkling +17, second best on the Flyers behind Couturier. With Myers in the fold you then have a post-Giordano top four of Hanafin-Andersson and Valimaki-Myers. All currently under the age of 24. Again, fills a need a sets the team up for success.
The reality of moving Gaudreau is you're not going to be getting a player of similar stature. You're going to have to make a deal for parts that have some pimples and come with some risk. Just like the Dougie Hamilton deal. Hamilton was the best player in the deal, but the Flames got (at the time) the next best two players. This is what to expect with a trade of Gaudreau. The Flames have an opportunity to fill numerous gaps in a single deal. They should do it and not roll the dice on unknown quantities at the draft table. I would hope that the hill of beans we got for Iginla would drive that point home.
Oh, and for historical perspective, when the Flames dealt away Nieuwendyk they did a similar deal, taking on Corey Millen and an untouted player in Jarome Iginla, instead of the higher regarded Todd Harvey, who was drafted two picks earlier. The critics were very vocal about this "mistake" and how the Flames should have held out for the better prospect. Sometimes draft position doesn't mean a hill of beans.