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Originally posted by Cowperson@Dec 6 2004, 05:34 PM
You are really desperate.
And I've got better things to do (seriously, I'm busy today, so I'm not going to go round and round the merry go round for no purpose).
See you later when the Iraq election happens. It won't be a slam dunk like this one was. That'll give us something interesting to talk about. Even I might be surprised if the USA favoured candidate forms a government.
Mean while the whole Ukraine situation has been exacerbated by none other than the United States, meddling in the affairs of yet another country, even though Russia has requested they keep their nose out of the situation.
So you'd rather see no questioning of an election in Ukraine where the results were clearly fraudulent, as determined by not only the USA but also Europe and the UN, agreeing together for once, yet you're alleging vote fixing in Afghanistan where the most popular candidate, heaven forbid, actually won by the same margin independent opinion polls prior to the ballot said he would.
Nice contradiction.
Meanwhile, you're saying Afghani's aren't culturally capable of handling the concept of democracy when they were clearly clamouring to get to the ballot box, literally risking life and limb to do so.
Are Ukranians also too culturally inept to handle the concept of a fair election?
Ah, fuggedaboudit. I'll be back tonight.
Cowperson
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Desperate to do what? Point out the strange goings on over there? You don't see the parallels between what has happened in the past when America stuck their noses into Latin America and the Far East? To point out how strange it is to see a polar switch in politics in a country with a deep seeded cultural hatred of the United States? No desperation there at all. Just pointing out the obvious. You know, like a pro-American candidate winning an election in a landslide during American occupation of the country. I mean, how desperate can a guy get to make such an outlandish comment?
Do I think the Ukraine is right or wrong? Wrong naturally. But I also do notice the active participation the United States is taking in this situation. If you're looking for someone leading the hord with pitch fork and torch firmly in hand, look at the United States in this regard. Or did you miss how p*ssed Putin was in regards to the American's actions. It seems that as long as democracy goes the way the United States wants it to, its all god and fair. As soon as something goes the otherway, well its recount time. And I'm not sure how that is a contradiction, but hey, you're going to say I'm wrong no matter what I say, so who gives a damn.
The Ukraine and Afghanistan are apples and oranges. In regards to democracy, yes, the Afghanis were not prepared to have an election. That is not democracy in action. For democracy to work you need to have an educated population. They need to not only be able to read but also to freely exchange ideas. There has to be understanding of the issues, an understanding of the platforms, a way for the candidates to openly debate, and a way to freely vote. Unfortunately for that to take place you need a literate population, something that is sorely lacking in Afghanistan. The literacy rate in Afghanistan is 31.5%, meaning 68.5% can't read or write. How can you honestly say that democracy can take place when you can't read a ballot? Conversely the Ukraine has a very high literacy rate (98%, which is better than Canada) and has had some time to develop the bodies of democratic government. The Ukraine is more than ready to deal with democracy as they have the education, the technical infrastructure and the ability to stage open debate for the masses. The differences are night and day. I'm surprised a semi-intelligent fellow like yourself would not recognize the differences and comprehend the challenges that implementing democracy is like. Or maybe you were just jerking my chain and trying to get a reaction? No, that would be giving you way too much credit. Obviously the actions of a desperate man.
